WW XXXIII - Other Minds and Hands - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Macalaure · 05-21-2007, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SPM

You are too kind, but I would argue that the honour still lies with TORE.

That must have been ages before my time.

Looking up the vote count, again:

Volo: Mac (Mac-1)
Mac: Volo (Mac-1, Volo-1)
Legate: Mac (Mac-2, Volo-1)
Aganzir: Mac (Mac-3, Volo-1)
Kath: Mac (Mac-4, Volo-1)
Anguirel: Kath (Mac-4, Volo-1, Kath-1)
Diamond: Mac (Mac-5, Volo-1, Kath-1)
Sauce: Volo (Mac-5, Volo-2, Kath-1)
Gil: Mac (Mac-6, Volo-2, Kath-1)
Shasta: Volo (Mac-6, Volo-3, Kath-1)

- In order to lynch Volo and not me, we need two retractions from me to Volo.

- In order to lynch us both, we need either one retraction and Ang switching to Volo, or two retractions and Ang switching to me. The former is very improbable.

Of the ones who voted me, Volo, Legate and Gil are unlikely to retract. So is probably Aganzir, though I still haven't lost all hope.

Kath, Diamond, the decision is almost entirely up to you two. Make up your minds and decide carefully and wisely.

Aganzir · 05-21-2007, 07:54 AM

I daresay it's clear enough that Mac is a wolf and Spm something alike. No need to try to convince us of anything else...

Mac the seer, please sacrifice yourself with greater dignity.

Volo · 05-21-2007, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac

I don't like this sort of argument. I don't like it at all. It's the worst kind of meta and vague speculative reasoning I have ever seen. Not only do we not know how Rikae chose her roles, of course, but discussing it is simply wrong. It might even lead to the right conclusion in the end, but it shouldn't be part of in-game arguments, and as far as I remember it has never been so far in past games.

Ok, sorry sorry. Rikae, hit me with a hammer from above (PM) if you agree with Mac about that post being too much out-game.

Like I (probably) said before, it is in no way an argument and I'm not trying to convince anybody with it, not even everybody except you, Mac and SPM.

Anguirel · 05-21-2007, 08:14 AM

Yup. So, I'm not all that interested in what's going on, I like alarming people a bit, and I thought Volo's last couple of posts were silly in innumerable ways.

--KATH, ++VOLO

Whatevah. I'm going to go and reminisce with the ghost of my dear wife about the good old days when "lots of Gifteds" meant Seer-Hunter-Ranger...

Volo · 05-21-2007, 08:26 AM

So, I'm probably dead. Thanks a lot.

But what I do want to hear is if you think that the end of the post #357 is against the rules. Because if it is, I'm not going to do so anymore, and I'll delete that part (though that would probably also be illegal...).

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Originally Posted by Anguirel

I'm not all that interested in what's going on

Spoilsport.

Rikae · 05-21-2007, 08:30 AM

A voice from beyond the grave:

Leave it the way it is, but please refrain from meta-discussion in the future - it's bad form.

I would also like to add that posts should not be edited except to note cross-posts.

Carry on.

Volo · 05-21-2007, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

A voice from beyond the grave:

Leave it the way it is, but please refrain from meta-discussion in the future - it's bad form.

I would also like to add that posts should not be edited except to note cross-posts.

Carry on.

Ok, thanks, and sorry.

Volo · 05-21-2007, 08:31 AM

Lynch Ang and umm... hopefully Shasta if you still can in the next Days. This is so confusing that I can't find anything to say about Kath and Diamond anymore. I hope whatever your role, you don't make the game harder for the Innocents to solve by voting me.

**The Saucepan Man** · 05-21-2007, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Volo

But what I do want to hear is if you think that the end of the post #357 is against the rules.

No, I don't consider it to be against the rules. Bad form, even for a Wolf or Cobbler, but not against the rules.

In my view, it should stand as the evidence it represents (ie highly damning). Your suggestion that such evidence might be destroyed is simply another indication of your bad intent, as far as I am concerned.

Have you ever heard the saying:

Oh what a complex web we weave,
When first we practice to deceive.

Edit: Crossed with the voice from above et seq

Volo · 05-21-2007, 08:41 AM

You say that I and Legate are Wolves. Who is the last Wolf then? And no, that isn't a confession.

Macalaure · 05-21-2007, 11:06 AM

Anguirel, to be honest, I would have preferred to get your vote if you're so certain about the falseness of my claim. I'm honestly sorry that this game has lost its appeal to you.

Legate, I was pointing out that line of yours to show that you were not practicing what you were preaching. You wanted to keep people from doing "idle monologues", yet you were one of the worst who did.

Shastanis Althreduin · 05-21-2007, 11:25 AM

Guys, the

emoticon at the end designates that yes, my comment was just a joke.

I gotta wonder why certain people overreacted, though...

Macalaure · 05-21-2007, 11:30 AM

Well, I hoped that Kath and Di would return before the deadline and maybe retract their votes, but my hope is beginning to fade now.

Farewell sweet earth and northern sky.

Gil-Galad · 05-21-2007, 11:56 AM

i'm confused but heck

--Mac

++Volo

Kath · 05-21-2007, 11:56 AM

I'm here, but I don't wish to change my vote.

See, whatever happens Mac, you're dead. Even if you are the Seer the wolves will know that and you're dead toNight.

But Volo with his extra life clause isn't dead if we don't lynch him. He can survive the Night and give us one more dream if he is the Seer.

Macalaure · 05-21-2007, 11:57 AM

Wait, is it Volo 5, Mac 5 now?

05-21-2007, 07:54 AM	#2
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	I daresay it's clear enough that Mac is a wolf and Spm something alike. No need to try to convince us of anything else... Mac the seer, please sacrifice yourself with greater dignity. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

05-21-2007, 08:14 AM	#4
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Yup. So, I'm not all that interested in what's going on, I like alarming people a bit, and I thought Volo's last couple of posts were silly in innumerable ways. --KATH, ++VOLO Whatevah. I'm going to go and reminisce with the ghost of my dear wife about the good old days when "lots of Gifteds" meant Seer-Hunter-Ranger... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

05-21-2007, 08:31 AM	#8
Volo Silver in My Silent Heart Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the great beauty Posts: 1,611	Lynch Ang and umm... hopefully Shasta if you still can in the next Days. This is so confusing that I can't find anything to say about Kath and Diamond anymore. I hope whatever your role, you don't make the game harder for the Innocents to solve by voting me. __________________ Fenris Wolf The EVEN NEWER Barrow-Downs Photo Page

05-21-2007, 08:41 AM	#10
Volo Silver in My Silent Heart Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the great beauty Posts: 1,611	You say that I and Legate are Wolves. Who is the last Wolf then? And no, that isn't a confession. __________________ Fenris Wolf The EVEN NEWER Barrow-Downs Photo Page

05-21-2007, 11:25 AM	#12
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	Guys, the emoticon at the end designates that yes, my comment was just a joke. I gotta wonder why certain people overreacted, though... __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

05-21-2007, 08:30 AM	#6
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	A voice from beyond the grave: Leave it the way it is, but please refrain from meta-discussion in the future - it's bad form. I would also like to add that posts should not be edited except to note cross-posts. Carry on.

05-21-2007, 11:06 AM	#11
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	Anguirel, to be honest, I would have preferred to get your vote if you're so certain about the falseness of my claim. I'm honestly sorry that this game has lost its appeal to you. Legate, I was pointing out that line of yours to show that you were not practicing what you were preaching. You wanted to keep people from doing "idle monologues", yet you were one of the worst who did.

05-21-2007, 11:30 AM	#13
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	Well, I hoped that Kath and Di would return before the deadline and maybe retract their votes, but my hope is beginning to fade now. Farewell sweet earth and northern sky.

05-21-2007, 11:56 AM	#14
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	i'm confused but heck --Mac ++Volo __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

05-21-2007, 11:56 AM	#15
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	I'm here, but I don't wish to change my vote. See, whatever happens Mac, you're dead. Even if you are the Seer the wolves will know that and you're dead toNight. But Volo with his extra life clause isn't dead if we don't lynch him. He can survive the Night and give us one more dream if he is the Seer.

05-21-2007, 11:57 AM	#16
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	Wait, is it Volo 5, Mac 5 now?