WW XXXIII - Other Minds and Hands

[Anguirel]

This is one of those times when analysis is outdated by the time the ink is dry...

I'd bet, personally, on a combination of Sauce, Kath, Diamond and Mac for evildoers. I trust Volo, and find the very accuracy of Mac's "revelation" - I am indeed a villager - proves its falseness. I must congratulate Rikae and Volo for the imaginative nature of that role and the perspicacity with which it has just been used.

I suggest we double-lynch Kath and Mac, or Diamond and Mac. Preferably the former.

But first we should look at those riddles with care. There's still an outside chance Mac's innocent; the quotation comes from a Conspiracy Unmasked, where the conspirators turned out not to be all that dreadful. So I shall reserve my vote for now. Besides it might be needed for tactical orchestration of a double-lynch.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

I trust Volo, and find the very accuracy of Mac's "revelation" - I am indeed a villager - proves its falseness.

*lifts his arms into the air in disbelief*

[Kath]

Ang why on earth would you double-lynch?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

There's still an outside chance Mac's innocent; the quotation comes from a Conspiracy Unmasked, where the conspirators turned out not to be all that dreadful.

But this is about SpM, and this is why I think he's the Cobbler. And I wouldn't count context in this - context has nothing to do with it in this case: these are just phrases. You wouldn't make Gollum nor Saruman good even if you stood on your head.

[Anguirel]

Mac, in civilian life my respect for you knows no bounds, but cut the ham acting. You were hired for a non-speaking part and this melodrama role just isn't suiting you. Be absolute for death. It will come as a relief to your tormented soul.

Kath - why on Arda not? I want a swift and convincing victory, not a series of interminable drib-drabs with nothing to say and the defeat of the wolves still inevitable (let's face it, we still have two Medium dreams, which are pretty easy to decode, and the number of suspects is radically shrinking. You wolves are doomed.)

We're making a film here, you know; I say it needs a spectacular finish.

Perhaps I should make a little trouble to aid that finish.

++KATH

Curunir, we are of one mind. Shall we meet beneath the eaves of the forest, friend, and shake hands as brothers and equals at last?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

Curunir, we are of one mind. Shall we meet beneath the eaves of the forest, friend, and shake hands as brothers and equals at last?

Unless you are a Wolf with the last noble attempt to seem like a good guy who agrees with Volo, when this all ends, I'll be happy to welcome you in my Treegarth of Orthanc. I also heard the mallorn wood has very good calorific value... *ahem* But if so, you'll see that a strong place and wonderful is Isengard, and also beautiful; and in ages long past there great lords had dwelt, the wardens of Gondor upon the West, and wise men that watched the stars... And there you will stay, and rest from journeys. For I am Saruman the Wise, Saruman the White, Saruman the Survivor. But only thus far. So let's not plan too much forward, we are not at the end yet...

(notice: no in-game point in the text from sentence 2 onwards)

[Diamond18]

Well isn't this exciting. At first this issue seems confusing but actually, it kind of makes things easier. I was for lynching Mac before and right now this whole kafuffle between him and Volo over who's the seer is just cementing my bad feelings over him. I have no objection to lynching him. If he's guilty, we follow up with Sauce, and if he's innocent, Volo.

+ + Mac

Makes sense to me.

Now, as far as the questions re: "where is Diamond?"... pardon me for sounding a little annoyed but I did say in the Admin thread that I was going to be very busy all week and was unsure if I'd even be able to make it online toward the end of the week. It's just plain old boring real life, not malice, that's keeping me away.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Kath

Can anyone tell me why lynching Sauce toDay is a bad idea?

Yes, I can! I am …

… the true Seer!

The remaining Wolves are Mac, Volo and Legate!

(*Joke*)

So, who to believe? It's rather a no brainer for me.

I said yesterDay that I thought one of Rune or Volo was lying. Rune was obviously telling the truth, so I had already concluded that Volo’s claim was probably false. Two Rangers plus a Seer with two lives just seems very unbalanced to me. And all these sudden changes in his story are stretching the bounds of credibility. Looking back, I can see no reason why, if he was the true Seer, he (re-)revealed yesterDay. It followed Rune’s revelation and it was purportedly done to show why he distrusted Rune’s claim.

Originally Posted by Volo

I don't fully trust Rune as that role could have been easily invented, and I'll even prove why I don't think that there is a role like that.

But that’s no reason for a Seer to reveal, especially as Rune’s claim could be (and was) tested quite easily. It looks to me like either an attempt to discredit Rune’s claim that did not come off or an attempt to flush out the real Seer which did (or both). And what’s with these ex post facto edits? I can’t see what happened, and wouldn’t mind an explanation, but it looks mighty suspicious to me.

I also found Volo’s claim that Legate was innocent difficult to believe, and now comes his claim, based on his dream, that I am “sinister”, whereas I can assure you that I am innocent, if decidedly ordinary.

Mac’s claim looks entirely more credible to me. It was made in response to another Seer’s claim that he was a Wolf and the role that he describes looks much more in keeping with game balance. There’s also the fact that he has dreamed of me and accurately found me to be an ordo.

I am not at all surprised that Legate has accepted, and is supporting, Volo’s story, as I have had him pegged as a Wolf all along. He could do little else, since they are inextricably linked by Volo’s determined, even desperate, attempts to save him from the noose.

As for the others, well there is probably a Wolf among you, but I cannot understand why the rest of you are bying Volo's claim so easily.

I would suggest that we lynch Volo toDay and, when he is proven a Wolf, lynch the Legate of Tol Gaurhoth toMorrow.

++Volo

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

But first we should look at those riddles with care. There's still an outside chance Mac's innocent; the quotation comes from a Conspiracy Unmasked, where the conspirators turned out not to be all that dreadful.

There's also a very slight possibility that we're barking up the wrong tree, as Volo wasn't told who the riddle was about and he had to figure it out it himself, but I don't think that's very probable. At least Legate and I were quite clear, and I can't think of anyone but Spm who could come out of a cupboard...