WW XXXIII - Other Minds and Hands

[Aganzir]

Rune had suspected Mac so long that I wouldn't wonder if it was him who he spied the Night he died...

[Kath]

Guys can we all just calm down for a second and think?

Can anyone tell me why lynching Sauce toDay is a bad idea? Can anyone tell me why finding out which of our two Seers is telling the truth is a bad idea?

Aside from the fact that we lose a very useful innocent in Sauce if Mac is telling the truth that's it for downsides.

If Volo is telling the truth we lynch Mac tomorrow.

If Mac is telling the truth we double-lynch Volo with someone he has claimed is innocent tomorrow.

Is there anything here that doesn't make sense?

[Aganzir]

Kath, well, if Mac was telling the truth (which I don't happen to believe), he would die anyway the next Night. If he's not telling the truth, he's either a wolf or the cobbler, and we had better get rid of him quickly. I think it's all the same whether we lynch him toDay or let the Wolves kill him during the Night.

The thing I find weird is that you keep insisting we should lynch Spm, who now seems to be the Cobbler. It's difficult to expect you would believe Mac even that much that you can be uncertain if it's Volo or Mac who is lying, were you an innocent.

I think Legate is right and that we should lynch Mac now. Therefore,

++Macalaure

edit: xed with Kath

[Kath]

Yeah I just figured that out Aganzir. Me being dense. I forgot he didn't have the same helpful half-immortality thing Volo claims to.

Lynching Mac does now seem to be the best thing to do.

++ MAC

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Kath, well, if Mac was telling the truth (which I don't happen to believe), he would die anyway the next Night. If he's not telling the truth, he's either a wolf or the cobbler, and we had better get rid of him quickly. I think it's all the same whether we lynch him toDay or let the Wolves kill him during the Night.

I can't see why this argument should not apply to Volo as well. In the end, it comes down to the question whom you rather believe.

Tell me, how can I make you believe me, Aganzir?

~crossed with Kath

[Macalaure]

I can only shake my head at this whole development.

I can't believe nobody, nobody at all, makes the effort to look back over the thread to decide with a little bit of reason whom to believe and whom not to.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Tell me, how can I make you believe me, Aganzir?

Maybe it would have been easier if I hadn't started making analyses (which I unfortunately never had time to complete, due to RL, and then there was again too much happening in the game that I could have been concentrating on them) of both you and Spm during the previous Days... And because of that I rather believe Volo.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Rune had suspected Mac so long that I wouldn't wonder if it was him who he spied the Night he died...

Well, though it's a good idea, I think it is not much of a proof, you know. But nevertheless, I suggest we lynch Mac, for what I said earlier. And everyone who came here, I suggest you read my posts (there's just three of them this far) to avoid problems. Yes, that's Sarumanic syndrome of organizing things, I know

So, I think we can make it like this?

++Mac

EDIT: x-ed with Kath.

[Kath]

Actually, we might as well lynch Mac. Even if we prove he is who he says he is the wolves will just kill him toNight and we won't get a dream out of him.

Oh this sucks.

[Anguirel]

This is one of those times when analysis is outdated by the time the ink is dry...

I'd bet, personally, on a combination of Sauce, Kath, Diamond and Mac for evildoers. I trust Volo, and find the very accuracy of Mac's "revelation" - I am indeed a villager - proves its falseness. I must congratulate Rikae and Volo for the imaginative nature of that role and the perspicacity with which it has just been used.

I suggest we double-lynch Kath and Mac, or Diamond and Mac. Preferably the former.

But first we should look at those riddles with care. There's still an outside chance Mac's innocent; the quotation comes from a Conspiracy Unmasked, where the conspirators turned out not to be all that dreadful. So I shall reserve my vote for now. Besides it might be needed for tactical orchestration of a double-lynch.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

I trust Volo, and find the very accuracy of Mac's "revelation" - I am indeed a villager - proves its falseness.

*lifts his arms into the air in disbelief*

[Kath]

Ang why on earth would you double-lynch?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

There's still an outside chance Mac's innocent; the quotation comes from a Conspiracy Unmasked, where the conspirators turned out not to be all that dreadful.

But this is about SpM, and this is why I think he's the Cobbler. And I wouldn't count context in this - context has nothing to do with it in this case: these are just phrases. You wouldn't make Gollum nor Saruman good even if you stood on your head.

[Anguirel]

Mac, in civilian life my respect for you knows no bounds, but cut the ham acting. You were hired for a non-speaking part and this melodrama role just isn't suiting you. Be absolute for death. It will come as a relief to your tormented soul.

Kath - why on Arda not? I want a swift and convincing victory, not a series of interminable drib-drabs with nothing to say and the defeat of the wolves still inevitable (let's face it, we still have two Medium dreams, which are pretty easy to decode, and the number of suspects is radically shrinking. You wolves are doomed.)

We're making a film here, you know; I say it needs a spectacular finish.

Perhaps I should make a little trouble to aid that finish.

++KATH

Curunir, we are of one mind. Shall we meet beneath the eaves of the forest, friend, and shake hands as brothers and equals at last?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

Curunir, we are of one mind. Shall we meet beneath the eaves of the forest, friend, and shake hands as brothers and equals at last?

Unless you are a Wolf with the last noble attempt to seem like a good guy who agrees with Volo, when this all ends, I'll be happy to welcome you in my Treegarth of Orthanc. I also heard the mallorn wood has very good calorific value... *ahem* But if so, you'll see that a strong place and wonderful is Isengard, and also beautiful; and in ages long past there great lords had dwelt, the wardens of Gondor upon the West, and wise men that watched the stars... And there you will stay, and rest from journeys. For I am Saruman the Wise, Saruman the White, Saruman the Survivor. But only thus far. So let's not plan too much forward, we are not at the end yet...

(notice: no in-game point in the text from sentence 2 onwards)

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

But first we should look at those riddles with care. There's still an outside chance Mac's innocent; the quotation comes from a Conspiracy Unmasked, where the conspirators turned out not to be all that dreadful.

There's also a very slight possibility that we're barking up the wrong tree, as Volo wasn't told who the riddle was about and he had to figure it out it himself, but I don't think that's very probable. At least Legate and I were quite clear, and I can't think of anyone but Spm who could come out of a cupboard...