WW XXXIII - Other Minds and Hands

[Gil-Galad]

okay... now Durelins vote for me is probably one of the weakest i seen, so i don't have to throw really any defense on that accusation...

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

1. Volo's revelation
2. Boromirs vote for him self
3. Brinniels slightly odd vote
4. Gil-galad's return to normal self

now i must cross-examine this...

1. brings a good view and definately starts off todays discussions
2. could be cobbler, or could be so bored with WW that he decided to play around with it, like that one time with my many-links post... good times...
3. will get back to you on that one
4. well my dear rune, i have already explained day one and now i am currently trying to get back into it, but if you want me to return to my old self by stating that here, then sure i will join boromir and just be a waste to the whole village! but i am not! i will try as hard as i did last game to play, so don't go throwing those assumptions out unless you beleive them to be true!


now that that rant is over... lets get back to the game...

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Celebang

I'd like to hear more from Diamond, largely as it would brighten things up...

I'm quite flattered, to be sure...

Well, I'm around and have a couple hours to spare tonight... I have some sticky real life issues this week which will be keeping me away from the game but I'll whine about that on the Admin Thread instead.

It takes me a few reads of the thread to work up any solid suspicions (oh who am I kidding: weak suspicions!) so at the moment I'm just blathering on a bit. The good news is that I think I'll be able to vote closer to the deadline toDay so I don't have to rush to figure something out in the next few minutes!

I'll be around but re-reading if anyone needs their wigs tweaked.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

First of Gil, I was stating what had caught my eye the previouse day. I was not making a post saying "KILL GIL-GALAD", as you clearly must have thought in order for you to produce such a reaction.

Whether there was RL reasons behind your actions or not it does not undo them, no matter what they will be a subject for analysing and judgement. If you returned today with a load of insightful posts nobody would care about you being quiet the first day, but if it kept up it would be a different matter.

Now if you notice I did not even state whether it was good or bad that you had been quiet yesterday, it was meerly something I noticed and that I thought was interesting.

It might as well speak for you innocense as your guilt.

I am not planing on spending more time on this matter as it was just a small thing that already has gotten blown out of proportions!

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Gil

okay... now Durelins vote for me is probably one of the weakest i seen, so i don't have to throw really any defense on that accusation...

Durelin? You mean Diamond, don't you?

Speaking of Durelin, where is she? She didn't post at all Day 1, and she has yet to show up toDay...

Okay, okay, I probably should go about and explain my vote (once again) since some thought it was odd (yeesh...I really need to start getting out of the habit of making weird votes...I don't mean to!). I voted for Legate because he was my top suspect, for good reasons, in my opinion. I admit the timing of the vote was a bit foolish, but I was hoping that there would be a chance that others would retract and vote for him as well. I stated I didn't want a double-lynch, because I honestly didn't want one...and I'm sure everyone (except for the wolves, I suppose) was thinking this as well, I guess I just had to be the stupid one to state it aloud. Also, I was there until the deadline with one retraction at hand...I was ready to change my vote to Sixth if it looked like a double lynch might occur. But that didn't happen, therefore I didn't change my vote.

There...I hope I explained that well enough.

About Boromir: I thought his first vote for himself was a bit odd, but I figured it was an in-character move and assumed he would change it later, so I didn't say anything. I think it was an attempt to get a discussion moving of some sort...but I don't know. Hopefully, we will hear from him soon.

Okay, time for me to go and examine yesterDay's posts more closely...

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, I’m back! But not for long, I’m afraid and, after that, I fear not making it back before the deadline, so I’m going to have to vote shortly.

Meanwhile, to pick up on a few earlier comments.

Originally Posted by Volo

First of all, I'd like to send attention to Boromir, who, from my perspective, acted rather un-Boromirish... (And I'm refering to Denetorish either.)

I don’t regard Boro’s actions as yesterDay particularly un-Boromirish. But his quietness certainly is.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

But I'm not sure about you either, Volo ...

I agree that we shouldn’t lose sight of the fact that Volo's claim would be excellent cover for a Wolf, for a few Days at least, but I see nothing to cause me to distrust it for now. And, assuming that he is true, he looks from his enquiring contributions toDay to be a useful ally.

Originally Posted by Legate

As you were among the Six-voters as well, I wouldn't be as loud, being you.

Why not? My own vote should not prevent me considering all the evidence, such as it is. We all have to (or should) vote every Day, and on Day 1 there is little to go on. Sixth looked the most suspicious to me at the time that I voted. As it happens, I would have preferred to have changed my vote to you at the end of the Day, but was wary of the possibility of creating a tie or of Ang (who I thought more likely innocent than not at the time) being lynched. You, on the other hand, showed far more conviction than I would think possible for an innocent that Sixth was innocent.

Leggie, I find your explanation of the “substance” in your opening votes distinctly unconvincing. What little substance there is there is hardly earth-shattering. That, in itself, I would not find suspicious, as it was early on Day 1. What concerns me is that you keep criticising Ang for doing what you yourself were doing.

Originally Posted by Legate

If you understand me from what I said, I am NOT and once again for the last time NOT accusing Ang for doing what I was doing, because he was NOT saying anything where I WAS.

You can deny this as much as you like, but the evidence of the posts is there and undeniable. Ang was talking “in-character“, but making some points at the same time, just as you claim to have been doing. It doesn’t follow that Ang is innocent (and I am still wary of his suggestion that the Wolves might look to distance themselves from each other), but your continuing attempts to re-write the opening skirmishes makes you look far worse in my eyes.

Originally Posted by Gil

i will try as hard as i did last game to play ...

What, you mean the one where you were a Vampire … ?

[Diamond18]

Durelin? You mean Diamond, don't you?

Eh?

You mean because of the signature? I wouldn't call that weak reasoning so much as no reasoning at all, which is pretty much what happens when you have to vote hours and hours early on Day 1. So no, I wasn't expecting you to have to come up with a defense....

I do find it a little funny though that you had to mention that... I mean, I thought it seemed pretty clear that I did not seriously suspect you. A little paranoia leaking through, maybe? Hm.

[Kath]

(Don't have much to say right now as I just got back from the LotR musical (*squeals*) and I'm exhausted and would like to get the nights events up on LJ before I forget them.)

Mith killed during the Night. Why? There has been mention of possible Seer hints but that was role play. It would have been a good cover but Gifted-Mith is far more subtle until she's focused on. Plus, there were a couple of people who questioned the way she was acting and she barely responded, which again is an anti Gifted-Mith thing.

That latter thing, Mac, is what made me think Mith was innocent so no, I didn't have any suspicions in her direction yesterDay.

So perhaps we have newbie wolves? People who haven't played with Mith often enough to know her style? Unfortunately it could just be that they thought she was an easy kill. Hopefully the next kill will help us decide which it is.

I've only flicked through the posts so far, I'll read up properly tomorrow.

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, Legate remains my prime suspect.

Of the others, I have some concerns about Kath, Mac, Brinniel, Aganzir and Rune.

Kath, Mac and Brinniel for their votes yesterDay, as I explained earlier. But it’s not sufficient evidence to persuade me to vote for them, and I have seen little else in their contributions to cause me undue alarm.

Aganzir looks to me to be committing the traditionally suspicious werewolfing sin of posting relatively frequently without saying much concerning her own thoughts, particularly toDay. She is distinctly non-committal. But it’s still early in the game and that may just be her way.

Rune is an interesting case. As I think Kath noted yesterDay, he too has been around a fair bit without saying a lot. And his contributions seem to follow a distinct pattern. He comments on someone, provokes a slight overeaction (in Mac yesterDay and Gil toDay), and then overreacts rather defensively himself. I’m not sure that it’s enough just yet to condemn him as a Wolf, but he is probably my second suspect after Legate.

But now I must vote and, since he remains the most suspicious to my eyes at the moment, I shall vote for:

++Legate of Amon Lanc

I shall try to make it back before the deadline, but I am not hopeful.

[Boromir88]

Do what you must Volo et all who hath accuseth me. This time I can't be my normal self. This is the first time I've had the chance to get on today. And just like Day 1, I'm going to get some more rest (as I have to get ready for work again in 5 hours, and when I come back I'm going to vote. This is how it is going to be for me most of the time. So, I'm going to read through all this stuff today, post my thoughts...get a few hours of sleep, come back and vote.

As for why I voted for myself...it was in-character stuff, but also to try and get reactions (which didn't happen at all). At that time there was about 20 posts, something around that number? Nothing at all stuck out to me, I wanted to try and get some discussion going as I had to vote within a few hours and had absolutely no clue. I didn't get what I wanted (as there were only a few posts after I voted for myself), so changed my vote for a mostly random reason, but Ang was the most suspicious one to me. Again, he seemed far to chirpy and jolly. His posts reminded me of Fea. And Fea scares the crap out of me when she plays.

Now to get caught up...

[Boromir88]

Well, Kath and Brinniel have given off this innocent vibe to me. Their tone comes off as innocent and sweet. If one of them is a wolf, congrats to you for completely fooling me.

I'm willing to trust Volo's reveal, for the time being.

Now, Legate, Sauce, and Ang are an interesting and talky bunch. I think one is a wolf. And of those 3 Ang looks the most wolvish and Sauce looks the most innocent.

Sauce is very adamant in going after Legate. That's how he always is as an ordinary innocent. He has his suspects and he goes after them with everything he has...very lawyerish of him .

Legate made a strange comment at the end of voting yesterday that didn't sit right with me:

Hey, we HAVE TO AVOID DOUBLE-LYNCH AT ALL COSTS!!!

And in the same post:

PLEASE CHECK YOU DON'T CROSS-VOTE WITH ANYONE, BECAUSE THEN WE CAN HAVE DOUBLE-LYNCH VERY NICELY.

I mean we all know that a double-lynch only helps the wolves, and it's good to be reminded 'hey lets avoid a double-lynch, this might happen if we mess up.' But this just seems too forced and and quite frankly fake. It's like Legate is trying to look innocent by reminding us all we don't want a double-lynch (duh ), but the manner he does it (the all caps and twice in the same post) looks fake and like he's trying too hard to look innocent.

Ang, I really can't get a hold on, and I know as long as we are both around that isn't going to change. I have a funny feeling about him...as I really always do actually. Ang is one of the toughest players, that I know I will never figure out because he is the exact same as an innocent or a wolf. Which means I get the same 'bad feelings' about him all the time.