WW XXXIII - Other Minds and Hands

[Gil-Galad]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

In case you did not notice: Boromir is dead and he was an Ordo

alright then... then perhaps Mac was piggy-backing on Boro's death and tried to play either a wolf or gifted...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

That is a possibility. . . one that I think is worth considering.

[Gil-Galad]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

That is a possibility. . . one that I think is worth considering.

but still, my votes will have to be between Mac and you my dear Rune...

so


++Macalaure

[Kath]

I'm not even supposed to be on here right now so ssh!

But I had an idea. What if we double lynch Volo and someone? What's this, Kath advocating a double lynch? Madness! But, there is reasoning.

There is still some doubt over Volo's role, and this would clear it up as if he is telling the truth he cannot die and it won't affect his standing in the village. If however he is a wolf playing an incredible bluff then, well, then we've bagged ourselves a wolf.

Now we could actually do this just on it's own, except that it's rather a waste either way. I personally would like to see Rune go down with him as he has so far toDay said not one constructive thing. His posts have either been a defense of himself or jumping on the theories of others. I won't vote until later so my mind has time to change, but at the moment I don't think it will.

Anyway, it's just an idea, doesn't have to be done. I'm actually a little wary of suggesting it as it may leave another less helpful voting analysis to be done by those that do them, but I thought it was worth putting out there.

[Macalaure]

Ah! I see I'm being suspected upon the basis of some serious and well-thought arguments.

My defending Boro and thinking him innocent is suspicious? May I remind you folks what the reasons for the votes for Boromir were?

Volo said "something looks very wrong there"
Legate said "a lot of wacky theories"
Aganzir said "I'm afraid I have no idea who I really want to see dead"
Diamond did a quick read-through, felt she had do decide between Legate and Boro and found Legate more helpful. No word on why Boro is more suspicious
Rune retracted to Boro from me for whatever reason

This was plain madness, and I'm sorry if you don't see it this way.

I know Diamond has little time on your hands, but her votes look increasingly wolvish.
Gil-Galad is right at the top of my to-lynch list right now.

*polishes his scimitar*

[Macalaure]

Rune Whelp of Bjarne


Day Two

#139
He jokes and states the obvious.

#142
He responds to Gil-Galad with the same sudden defensiveness that we have already witnessed before, but then he says "It might as well speak for you innocense as your guilt."
In the end: much ado about nothing.

#167

Originally Posted by Rune

My talking about irrelevant stuff is mostly because I am trying to hide the fact that I do not have any good suspicions, I am constantly hoping that the next time I read through some post that something will jump into mind.

This is very interesting: He admits his own fault of having no good suspicions in order to get away with another post of irrelevant stuff. This confession of minor faults in order to increase one's credibility is something I did some times in the one game that I was evil.
He then continues with some obviousnesses about double lynchings

#170
This post looks to me like he has now realised that he cannot make it through completely without making any points. The comment of mine which he picked up looks almost as if picked up at random. To found his suspicion of Brinniel upon it is a very, very weak point. He also says that Gil "is an ordo once again or that he is a cunning wolf", which has absolutely no content. Actually, Rune and Gil look more and more like wolvish comrades to me.

#172
He goes back to his suspects of yesterDay (ouch!), but realises he obviously can't vote Volo any more. He relativises his suspicions of Brinniel and Gil and does a quick analysis of me (exclusively about Day One). He votes me on the basis of this.
This whole post looks extremely contrived, I'm sorry.

#201
He retracts from me to Boro without giving any reason.


Day Three

#233
He complains about the votes for him and defends his own vote vigorously.
Actually, I don't even think his vote itself is that suspicious. It's the badness of its reasoning. Though it is also possible that he wanted to save Wolf-Legate (I'm not as convinced of Legate's wolfdom as SPM is) but didn't want people to turn towards himself if it fails. But this is a very vague theory.

#235
He apologises for his harshness, which of course is a good thing, but then it also echoes #167 again.

#239
He tells Gil the Confused that Boro was an ordo.

#241
After Gil has bent his own argument by 180 degrees, Rune thinks it's worth considering.
Honestly, I can only shake my head at this.


I am now very convinced that Rune is a wolf and quite convinced that Gil is one, too. There are some others which I would maybe put into the same bag at the moment, but I don't want to complicate matters unnecessarily. One wolf after the other.

[Brinniel]

Yeesh...I was gone for what...10 hours, and expecting there to be a flood of posts. Yet, there was really not much at all for me to catch up on. Well, I'm sure there will be plenty of more posts when I come back in the morning.

Anyways, to keep track of the voting so far:

Diamond: ++Mac (Mac- 1)
Volo: ++Rune (Mac-1, Rune- 1)
Shasta: ++Rune (Mac- 1, Rune- 2)
Gil-Galad: ++Mac (Mac- 2, Rune- 2)

Originally Posted by Kath

But I had an idea. What if we double lynch Volo and someone? What's this, Kath advocating a double lynch? Madness! But, there is reasoning.

There is still some doubt over Volo's role, and this would clear it up as if he is telling the truth he cannot die and it won't affect his standing in the village. If however he is a wolf playing an incredible bluff then, well, then we've bagged ourselves a wolf.

An interesting idea. This indeed could help guarantee us whether he is Innocent or not. And if Volo really is being honest and he cannot die, then he should have no objections to a double-lynch involving him. But then, I have my doubts that this would work as it would take a lot of cooperation from everyone. And considering the chaotic ends to our Days so far, I don't know if that could happen.

Alright, I need to put up some thoughts on everyone as of now:

xyzzy: He said on the admin thread he would be around toDay, but still no sign of him. Nothing I can really say here.

SPM: He seems so certain that Legate is guilty, he is willing to put his life on it, which is strange, not to mention risky. Yet, I doubt a wolf would be so bold, especially since Legate has been highly suspected since Day 1.

Rune: I am still very suspicious of him for the same reasons I was yesterDay. No change here.

Legate: I'm still feeling a bit uncertain of him and I really wish we could hear from him toDay, but I realise that won't be happening. Still, he is swaying more on the suspicious side for me partly because of old reasons, and also because of the timing of his vote for Boromir. It seemed to me he was trying to help get a bandwagon going, which was, in fact, successful.

Shasta: A rather seemingly cheerful fellow, I would say. I don't really like how he's voted so quickly these past two Days with little explanation, though maybe this is due to time reasons. But right now, there is nothing I can find particularly suspicious about him.

Diamond: I don't see anything suspicious when looking at her vote for Boromir alone. However, I feel like she has put little substance into her her posts until toDay when she voted for Mac. I'm not sure exactly what that means...

Kath: Since Day 1, she has suspected Rune with almost as much certainty that SPM has against Legate. Her case against Rune is actually quite reasonable, and I don't really see any reasons to suspect her. If she does turn out to be a wolf, props to her for completely fooling me.

Aganzir: She seemed so innocent to me before, but I find her vote yesterDay for Boromir rather alarming, especially since she didn't really give a reason for it. She's certainly not at the top of my suspects, but I certainly want to keep an eye on her from now on.

Anguirel: Oh geez...I'm still so confused on what to think of him. Such a tough player to figure out. He still hasn't shown up toDay, and I would like to hear from him. But right now, I have no idea.

Mac: His last comment yesterDay about Boromir's innocence indeed could be coming from a wolf trying to draw away suspicion. Yet, while I would like to keep a close eye on him, I do not think it is a good idea to lynch someone based on one comment alone, as it could've also come from an Innocent blurting out his thoughts without thinking of the consequences.

Gil-Galad: Due to his scarce posting compared to his flood posting when he was a wolf, I really haven't considered him. But toDay, when he says he is probably going to vote for Rune, after going back and forth in conversation with him, he suddenly jumps on Mac, which I find to be alarming. If Rune is a wolf, I think it may be possible Gil is one as well.

Volo: I still feel the same about him. While there may be a chance he is lying about his role, I really doubt that.

Suspicious:
Rune
Legate
Gil-Galad

Slightly Suspicious:
Aganzir
Mac

No Idea:
Anguirel
xyzzy
Shasta
Diamond

Possibly Innocent:
Kath
SPM

Innocent:
Volo

Time for me to go to bed now. I'll try to be back in around four hours if I can get myself up that early...

EDIT: X-ed with Mac's last post (whoa, did I really take over an hour to write this up?! I'm so slow... )

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

SPM: He seems so certain that Legate is guilty, he is willing to put his life on it, which is strange, not to mention risky. Yet, I doubt a wolf would be so bold, especially since Legate has been highly suspected since Day 1.

Yet I did so when I was a wolf in Oddwen's game...

Originally Posted by Kath

But I had an idea. What if we double lynch Volo and someone?

We could try if you really feel that I'm lying, though doing the double lynch might be hard... Better we consentrate on lynching the wolf as that itself is problematic with so many evil creatures hopping around.

Gah. The only action I feel like taking that won't boil my head is looking at Kath and Brinniel, again.

EDIT: ...in Oddwen's game and it would have worked too if not for you meddling Seer! Well, we won anyway. Thanks Holby and Nilp.