WW XXXIII - Other Minds and Hands

[The Saucepan Man]

Gah! This is so frustrating!

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Would someone care to explain me why it is so certain that Spm is the Cobbler? I just don't understand why almost everybody seems to think it's obvious. He may as well be a wolf.

Would someone care to explain to me exactly why you have made up your minds that I am either a Wolf or a Cobbler? So, I got it wrong about Volo and Legate. I was not the only one. As for Volo’s dream, well try a little lateral thinking.

Originally Posted by Anguirel

I think it's interesting that Kath is stressing so emphatically that it would be dangerous to lynch Sauce if he is the cobbler.

I suspect that she has fallen for the general feeling that I might be the Cobbler. She does look distinctly furry to me. Notice how, when challenged, she put in a vote for me, in an attempt to sidestep the building suspicion. She did exactly the same thing yesterDay, with her vote for Mac.

Originally Posted by Anguirel

Those who suspect me, elucidate why, out of the admittedly abundant evidence against me, much of which I have deliberately constructed to avoid sharing my wife's fate, and I am happy to answer.

So, you are claiming that you have deliberately acted suspiciously, thus endangering the village, so as to preserve your own life? That’s hardly innocent behaviour. It’s not really necessary to elucidate why you look suspicious, since you fully accept that you do. However, if I had to point to anything, apart from statements like this, I would note that your voting looks decidedly dodgy. Quite apart from your safe vote for Brinniel and your capricious vote yesterDay, you do, I think, hold the village record for retractions, and it seems to me that, save where they are prompted by revelations, Wolves (and the Cobbler) have the most to gain from making full use of the ability to switch votes.

[Gil-Galad]

I must agree with SPM... i just don't like it... but Aganzir is a proven innocent, but he is just an innocent trying to lead the rest of us againest SPM... and if he proves innocent? then what?

i feel i must take the chance with SPM... i am really close with taking my vote of him off because if we all bandwagon on him, the wolves will probably join us and hide amongst us...

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Gil

... but Aganzir is a proven innocent

No she's not.

Originally Posted by Gil

... and if he proves innocent? then what?

Wolves (and Cobbler) win.

Originally Posted by Gil

... i am really close with taking my vote of him off because if we all bandwagon on him, the wolves will probably join us and hide amongst us...

I doubt that it will make much difference. The Wolves will vote for me for as long as they remain within the majority. If they manage to get me lynched, it makes little difference how obvious this makes them look when I am proven innocent since, with the Cobbler's help, victory will be theirs toMorrow. Their only hesitation might be if they actually think I could be the Cobbler.

[Gil-Galad]

heres what we do, as i am certain most of us are following Aganzirs words about SPM, so if Spm proves to be an innocent, then we in turn go after Aganzir, who can try to defend himself but it will be hard seeing how he so adamantly brought SPM into the spotlight


"medium is the seer with a twist" i beleive thats what Rikae said... so how can we be certain that it wasn't a backwards seer working for the wolves?


if we lynch SPM, and the wolves kill Aganzir, who both turn out to be innocent, then we will be set back a bit, and it will be dangerous... i await the deadline with anxiety

[Anguirel]

Gil, you seem to have suddenly taken to listening to Sauce. This is a bad habit. I suppose you could be a wolf as well...groan

I will do some thinking and voting about two hours before the deadline. I do however think that Sauce's banter is clearly bunkum. It seems so implausible to me that he could be a Cobbler yet again that I am currently inclined to regard him as a wolf, after the necessary lateral thinking of course...

There is no way Aganzir could be guilty; surely Sauce's attempt to destabilise this fact shows him up?

I'm thinking about voting Shasta actually, but I fea that would get little support...

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

Gil, you seem to have suddenly taken to listening to Sauce.

And so have you by the look of it.

At least Gil's trying to think outside the box, unlike anyone else around here, which makes me think slightly better of him.

Originally Posted by Anguirel

There is no way Aganzir could be guilty

Why not? Volo thought that she was when he first received the dream about her. And, if she is, her actions are precisely those that a Wolf in her position would take.

[Aganzir]

Voting thus far:

Shasta ++Gil (Gil-1)
Aganzir ++Spm (Spm-1, Gil-1)
Gil ++Spm (Spm-2, Gil-1)
Kath ++Spm (Spm-3, Gil-1)

Yet to vote: Anguirel, Diamond, Sauce

I'm interested to see how many ordos vote another ordo. Of course we can't know who is ordo and who is not, but by the end of the Day we should know at least something. No one but Shasta has yet voted Gil, and if an ordo votes another ordo, the only reason for the wolves not to vote that very ordo immediately is the possibility of retractions.
If Shasta won't retract his vote and no one else votes Gil, this should prove you toMorrow that either Shasta or Gil is a wolf.

Originally Posted by Spm

And, if she is, her actions are precisely those that a Wolf in her position would take.

Just for curiosity, I'd like to know what a wolf in my position would exactly do. If you want to make others feel uncertain about me, you should at least explain better.