WW XXXIII - Other Minds and Hands

[Volo]

We might have different meanings for the word "harsh", but I do completely agree with Legate, about your, Ang, half-in-half-out-character talk being annoying and easily changed by yourself. If you are a wolf, I suggest you quit it. If you are an innocent, I suggest you quit it. This will always put you into a guilty light, whatever the case.

I'm sure thing going to vote you now. Though you're probably innocent. Your accusation came so out of nowhere. My first post was PURE in-character stuff, without ANY useful content. My second post was pretty much my thoughts as they are. Why no more than that? For the simple reason that I didn't have anything else to say. Are you expecting me to have great analysis for the talk here? You yourself don't have much stuff to say...

++Anguirel

[Mithalwen]

Must you kill my husband so soon? I mean I don't know if he is innocent but he is is charming and fun .... could make an elf queen die of grief...

Kath darling I asked for tweezers not shears !...situation far from being so drastic .. I am not a dwarf..though if Galadriel had a beard it would explain Gimli's crush

*continues reading*

[Volo]

The in-out-character confusion has also a second contributer. Please, Legate, either in-character or out-character.

Kath's is interesting. It might go for trying too hard, as it has a lot of nothing saying observations. Then again, it can be her sincere thoughts.

EDIT: Xd with SPM and Mith

[The Saucepan Man]

At the risk of further accusations of 'palliness', I fail to see the basis for these accusations of harshness against Ang. Perhaps I am just used to his style. However, like Mith, I would rather not see him fall at the first fence as I rather appreciate his wit.

Volo's seeming over-reaction to Ang's vote for him has pinged my radar somewhat.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Mac

I don't agree with his interpretation of Ang at all. Is his main point that his in-character stuff could have been shorter? Well, surely it could have, but Ang had more actual arguments inside it than others did. He's accusing Ang for things he himself has been doing.

For the seventieth and the last time, almost every sentence I said had real in-game meaning. This is what Ang didn't do, he was speaking in character, but not just it, it was all... well, strange.

Originally Posted by Mac

Didn't I end up lynching you in that game? There must've been some things we didn't agree on.

At least from my part, I saw you doing all that I agreed with or you came to the same conclusions independantly of me, and the only thing you did which I didn't agree with was my lynching.
Which, in mirroring that game, I would really NOT like to see...

Originally Posted by Mac

Then in the end, he apologises to people who might think he's offensive, because he is just playing Saruman. In the same paragraph, he accuses me, the anonymous orc, of being offensive. I can't see the sense in this.

Oh, sorry if it was that - my fault, I didn't look what your role is. Or, I knew you are "7th orc in 3rd row", but it didn't came to me that it's "Orc". The image in my head was "some warrior in 3rd row", which in role would mean a person who does not say anything in the whole film. Then only the accusation of me posting only banter remains, and for that, cf. above.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Mith

Actually if there is a love fest going on (other than Ang and my IC one) it is Legate and Sixth it seems to me.

Not from my part. If Six is a cobbler and thinks me a wolf or vice versa, that might be, but for myself, nope.

Other people:

Concerning Ang, now I am in the typical situation of contradiction when a person you suspect proclaims you innocent.

Brinniel is the typical example of "more-or-less-neutral" person. Even if she were a Wolf, after what we did to her last time (well... and not just last...), I'm probably not voting for her at least the next two days.

Kath then... she makes sense, but somehow the way she says it in a way that it seems... fishy. I don't have anything specific now, I have to look to it more.

SpM hasn't convinced me at all of his innocence.

Volo: And what are you, then? Some sort of a role that just mixes other people's roles or something like that? What's your goal? What side are you on? When you started of it, it must mean you don't care - or what?

[Macalaure]

I will vote now, since it makes no sense to delay one's vote until short before the deadline when we're playing with retractable votes.

I'm getting a slightly better feeling about Legate from his last few posts, so my vote will be received by:


++The Sixth Wizard

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Legate

SpM hasn't convinced me at all of his innocence.

I wasn't aware of having tried to convince you. In any event, I would rather that you vote for me than condemn a (probably innocent) Ang to an early grave - provided, of course, it doesn't result in me being lynched in his place.

Diamond: ++Gil-Galad (Gil-1)
Boromir: ++Boromir (Gil-1, Boro-1)
Boromir: --Boromir, ++Anguirel (Gil-1, Anguirel-1)
SpM: ++Sixth (Gil-1, Anguirel-1, Sixth-1)
Sixth: ++Anguirel (Gil-1, Anguirel-2, Sixth-1)
Lommy: ++Sixth (Gil-1, Anguirel-2, Sixth-2)
Kath: ++Rune (Gil-1, Anguirel-2, Sixth-2, Rune-1)
Anguirel: ++Volo (Gil-1, Anguirel-2, Sixth-2, Rune-1, Volo-1)
Volo: ++Anguirel (Gil-1, Anguirel-3, Sixth-2, Rune-1, Volo-1)
Rune: ++Volo (Gil-1, Anguirel-3, Sixth-2, Rune-1, Volo-2)
Mac: ++Sixth (Gil-1, Anguirel-3, Sixth-3, Rune-1, Volo-2)

With half an hour to go, I can see this ending in utter chaos. With the threat of a possible double-lynching looming over us, it might be a good idea for those who have not yet placed their first vote to do so reasonably in advance of the deadline.

[Brinniel]

I revealed it already! We wouldn't be discussing it if I hadn't...

Oh sorry...I didn't see your edit...

[Macalaure]

Something about the Legate of Nan Curunír:

I don't agree with his interpretation of Ang at all. Is his main point that his in-character stuff could have been shorter? Well, surely it could have, but Ang had more actual arguments inside it than others did. He's accusing Ang for things he himself has been doing.

In fact, Anguirel is the only one whom I would dare to declare innocentish at this early time.

I wonder: Why does Legate emphasise that he came to the same conclusion as Six independantly?
But I guess it's premature to go and construct any links between people (which Legate passionately does). Maybe I'm paranoid because these two are my main suspects for now.

Legate's case of the Saucepan Man looks almost constructed to me. Lommy and I jumped on Six equally fast. Legate is founding far too much of his analysis upon Six's innocence, and if his ways are innocent, then they're misguided. In fact, as others have pointed out already, this is not so unlikely.

Originally Posted by Legate, about me

...when I was innocent and him as well, we were pretty much agreeing on many things.

Didn't I end up lynching you in that game? There must've been some things we didn't agree on.

Then in the end, he apologises to people who might think he's offensive, because he is just playing Saruman. In the same paragraph, he accuses me, the anonymous orc, of being offensive. I can't see the sense in this.


I will probably vote for Legate or Six today, or maybe Volo for good reasons that others have already stated. I really wouldn't like to lose Ang today.

[Volo]

I'm pretty sure that either Mac or Ang (or both) are wolves.

Unless Rikae had thought of something even more sinister for Mac.

Ang has been the loud suspicious wolf. And pretty much Mac too. I really don't know what to think of this... The itchy feeling that Mac is trying to get closer to Ang assailed me. Oh, botheration.

Is Ang always like that? Even as a wolf?

EDIT: Xd with Mith and Ang.

Mith, I wouldn't go too hard on analysing the quiet ones.
1. There is nothing to analyse.
2. They'll be lynched from paranoia at the latest.

Ang. Everybody has a retractable vote, except Boro. So, we can still do much here. I don't really want to lynch you, but you are far from innocentish to me...

[Anguirel]

My jokes are marginally better when I'm a wolf.

My strategy is marginally better when I'm a Ranger.

(Not that I am. Just fiddling with a correlation there)

Oh, and by the way, I quite agree, all this complaining about mixing IC and OOC talk is nonsense. For me the whole point of this game is having fun with a role while extracting some cursory tactical thinking...

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Really don't like Mac's attitude to the IC posts - I was IC but I was also making the stating the bleeding obvious reminders that I am prone to if I am able to post early in teh day when there isn't a lot else to talk about. I see nothing suspicious in suggesting peopel bear in mind what we are up against as they read posts, to think of the various possible dynamics.

Also there were only 3 of us posting ... all with book characters and great lines to play with - did you really not expect us to fill the vacuum with a bit of fun.

If it had only been you three, I wouldn't have lost a word about it, but it was half a dozen of people. Well, I already said I shouldn't have put everybody into one box.

Originally Posted by Volo

Unless Rikae had thought of something even more sinister for Mac.

Oh, please....

[Mithalwen]

Ang is like that .... - less so I would say when wolvish.. but I am biased. He is very like that when gifted too and his protestation that he isn't might be worth considering BEFORE he gets lynched.
I don't KNOW his status, I suspect he would be more cautious if he were wolvish. He is one of life's cavaliers .. that may not win him friends among the roundheads but it doesn' t make him a wolf. I really don't know why he is found os much more suspicious than Legate say - and indeed Mac.... both have been a bit scratchy? Of course some things get lost in translation even when the ESL players have such a good standard as they have ...

[Aganzir]

I'm a little confused. I thought I would be going to vote for Legate, but now everything he has said has made him look more innocentish than some others. But I don't consider Sixth that suspicious that I would vote for him.

I don't really see the point of Volo's role, and neither in revealing it. Of course I understand why he revealed his role, but... It all seems quite weird. Why would there be a role that cannot be killed? Claiming that he has this role would of course be a good strategy for a wolf or a gifted - at least for, say, a couple of Days. Why would wolves take the risk of losing a kill by attempting to kill someone who doesn't die, and why would the villagers consider wasting a lynch in someone who might or might not die...

Mith looks pretty innocent this far. So do Kath, Brinniel and Rune. Of others I can't say anything.