Frodo or the Ring?

[KayQy]

Well, I'm going to go back down that wonderful digression about Gandalf=Manwe, just because I had gotten so deep into it before the subject returned to Frodo.

if Olórin was known to Curumo, then isn't it odd that he should be surprised to learn after some years in Middle-earth that Olórin had the greater power?

Perhaps Curumo had the greater power (or was allowed the greater use of it) when they were first sent over the Sea; but after turning to the Dark Side (sorry), and his army being defeated, he had lost a great deal of his power. He, of course, would still be convinced that he was the more powerful, until the new and improved Gandalf showed him how much things had changed.

Another point would be the chapter on the Istari in UT. Olorin is talking to Manwe, hard to be Manwe if you are talking to him.

I was going to say this myself. Is this some previously hidden trick of the Valar, to be more than one person?

It looks (and was intedned to look in the end) much like history, with it's different sources of inforamation and different accounts of what "really happened".

Only this is a lot more interesting than the history that we have to learn in high school. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

And I guess I'll go ahead and mention that I think that the Ring spoke through Frodo, or that Frodo spoke under the influence of the ring. It had so much control over him by that time it would actually be difficult to separate them completely.