Frodo or the Ring? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

***Mithadan*** · 01-05-2001, 08:13 AM

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Interesting argument re: Gandalf. However I don't think Gandalf would threaten to throw Gollum into the Cracks of Doom (or curse him).

Let's use Occam's Razor. When faced with several possibilities, the simplest is likely correct. Starting with the Gandalf theory, undoubtedly Gandalf was able to "sense" Frodo and his dilemna on the Hill of Seeing and contact him with good advise or attempt to influence his actions. But in the other two examples, Frodo didn't have the Ring on. Also, when Gandalf found that Frodo and co. were heading for Cirith Ungol, he did not or could not contact him to warn him away from that dangerous place. Finally, while Gandalf was able to contact or influence Frodo after the breaking of the Fellowship, this is a far cry from vesting Frodo with power from a distance; power to throw off Gollum despite physical weakness and clothe him in a vision.

The Ring spoke - well, it had never spoken previously and certainly had opportunity and cause to do so ("Hey Lord of the Ringwraiths! I'm here! In Morgul Vale! 100 meters to your left! Take your army and come and get me!&quot

. Other examples of inanimate objects speaking are uncertain and possibly mythical in nature (Gurthang speaking to Turin with no witnesses; the troll's purse warning its owner of Bilbo).

Frodo spoke - He used language similar to words he used previously. The presence of the Ring is known to create visual effects (Sam clothed in shadow and looking like a great warrior in the tower above Cirith Ungol). The Ring is known to have heavily impacted Frodo's mental state and its power is to corrupt (thus the language or curse used by Frodo). Finally, the Ring, especially near its origin, was powerful and taking hold of Frodo.

Simplest explanation: Frodo spoke under the heavy influence of the power of the Ring.

--Mithadan--
"The Silmarils with living light
were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>

01-05-2001, 08:13 AM	#11
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,391	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 437</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Hmm. . . Nope. Just an article. <img src=wink.gif ALT=""> Interesting argument re: Gandalf. However I don't think Gandalf would threaten to throw Gollum into the Cracks of Doom (or curse him). Let's use Occam's Razor. When faced with several possibilities, the simplest is likely correct. Starting with the Gandalf theory, undoubtedly Gandalf was able to "sense" Frodo and his dilemna on the Hill of Seeing and contact him with good advise or attempt to influence his actions. But in the other two examples, Frodo didn't have the Ring on. Also, when Gandalf found that Frodo and co. were heading for Cirith Ungol, he did not or could not contact him to warn him away from that dangerous place. Finally, while Gandalf was able to contact or influence Frodo after the breaking of the Fellowship, this is a far cry from vesting Frodo with power from a distance; power to throw off Gollum despite physical weakness and clothe him in a vision. The Ring spoke - well, it had never spoken previously and certainly had opportunity and cause to do so ("Hey Lord of the Ringwraiths! I'm here! In Morgul Vale! 100 meters to your left! Take your army and come and get me!&quot. Other examples of inanimate objects speaking are uncertain and possibly mythical in nature (Gurthang speaking to Turin with no witnesses; the troll's purse warning its owner of Bilbo). Frodo spoke - He used language similar to words he used previously. The presence of the Ring is known to create visual effects (Sam clothed in shadow and looking like a great warrior in the tower above Cirith Ungol). The Ring is known to have heavily impacted Frodo's mental state and its power is to corrupt (thus the language or curse used by Frodo). Finally, the Ring, especially near its origin, was powerful and taking hold of Frodo. Simplest explanation: Frodo spoke under the heavy influence of the power of the Ring. --Mithadan-- "The Silmarils with living light were kindled clear, and waxing bright shone like stars that in the North above the reek of earth leap forth." </p> __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.