Frodo or the Ring? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

***Mithadan*** · 01-10-2001, 02:48 PM

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Re: Hmm. . .

Frodo grew in power as he bore the Ring? No, say rather that he grew in wisdom and will as he bore it. The Ring on the other hand grew in influence as it approached its point of origin and the home of its Master. As it approached Mordor, it responded to its master searching for it and its master's will. Frodo grew increasingly subject to its power and influence as well. Thus, when Gollum suggests he give up the Ring and return it to Gollum, the Ring's influence and power manifest in Frodo's uncharacteristically unpleasant response. That Gollum will never get it back and if he does not obey Frodo, Frodo will take the Ring and have Gollum throw himself into the fire and that Gollum, bound to the Ring by his oath, will not be able to resist. Do not underestimate the power of an oath in Middle Earth/Arda. Recall what happens to Feanor and his sons and the men of Dunharrow.

On Orodruin the same event occurs and the power of the Ring over Frodo again manifests itself. But this time, Frodo goes an additional step and says if Gollum touches him again he will be thrown into the Cracks of Doom. Gollum attacks Frodo and falls into the Cracks. In each case, the manifestation of the Ring's power and influence manifests itself in the form of visions. In each case at issue is Frodo giving up the Ring. I use the word "curse" above. Perhaps it is wrong to use that word. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say Gollum's oath and his breach of the oath result in his death, and the destruction of the Ring. The power of the oath is supported by the power of the Ring and thus the power of Sauron.

To suggest that Frodo by bearing Sauron's Ring became more powerful is wrong, particularly if it is to be inferred that Frodo's power was for good. The Ring, as its maker, was utterly and completely evil. If Frodo believed his power had increased, as did Sam when he briefly carried the Ring, it was a delusion caused by the Ring.

--Mithadan--
"The Silmarils with living light
were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>

01-10-2001, 02:48 PM	#1
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,391	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 466</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Hmm. . . Frodo grew in power as he bore the Ring? No, say rather that he grew in wisdom and will as he bore it. The Ring on the other hand grew in influence as it approached its point of origin and the home of its Master. As it approached Mordor, it responded to its master searching for it and its master's will. Frodo grew increasingly subject to its power and influence as well. Thus, when Gollum suggests he give up the Ring and return it to Gollum, the Ring's influence and power manifest in Frodo's uncharacteristically unpleasant response. That Gollum will never get it back and if he does not obey Frodo, Frodo will take the Ring and have Gollum throw himself into the fire and that Gollum, bound to the Ring by his oath, will not be able to resist. Do not underestimate the power of an oath in Middle Earth/Arda. Recall what happens to Feanor and his sons and the men of Dunharrow. On Orodruin the same event occurs and the power of the Ring over Frodo again manifests itself. But this time, Frodo goes an additional step and says if Gollum touches him again he will be thrown into the Cracks of Doom. Gollum attacks Frodo and falls into the Cracks. In each case, the manifestation of the Ring's power and influence manifests itself in the form of visions. In each case at issue is Frodo giving up the Ring. I use the word "curse" above. Perhaps it is wrong to use that word. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say Gollum's oath and his breach of the oath result in his death, and the destruction of the Ring. The power of the oath is supported by the power of the Ring and thus the power of Sauron. To suggest that Frodo by bearing Sauron's Ring became more powerful is wrong, particularly if it is to be inferred that Frodo's power was for good. The Ring, as its maker, was utterly and completely evil. If Frodo believed his power had increased, as did Sam when he briefly carried the Ring, it was a delusion caused by the Ring. --Mithadan-- "The Silmarils with living light were kindled clear, and waxing bright shone like stars that in the North above the reek of earth leap forth." </p> __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.