Frodo or the Ring?

[Mister Underhill]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Frodo or the Ring?

Several points here, though no time for another article-length reply.

a.) It is never explicitly stated that Faramir's news was the first time Gandalf learned that Frodo was following Gollum's lead. Also, his remarks to Pippin later echo what Frodo said to Gollum when he made him swear by the Ring (more on this later).

b.) Look again more closely, HI. &quot;...or in form as one of them...&quot; Also, it is faulty logic to assume that he was only able to inspire visions and wisdom while near them.

c.) The wording suggests that Gandalf possibly did manage to provide at least a little bit of help to Frodo in the case cited, Mith: &quot;Maybe Frodo felt it, not knowing it, as he had upon Amon Hen...&quot;

d.) The visions don't happen at just any old time. They come at critical junctures, when Frodo binds Gollum by his oath to the Ring, then again when Frodo needs to &quot;stun&quot; Gollum and buy time to head up to the Cracks of Doom.

Do you think it's worth it to start another thread? All the arguments (long ones, that I am not inclined to retype) are found here already. I'll do it if you insist, but why not let the thread evolve?

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