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Orcs... were elves?

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ninja91 Orcs... were elves? 05-19-2006, 11:05 AM

davem Short answer is that Tolkien... 05-19-2006, 11:42 AM

Boromir88 It really comes down to what... 05-19-2006, 12:43 PM

Fordim Hedgethistle I've always just figured that... 05-19-2006, 01:18 PM

davem Clearly the problem he had... 05-19-2006, 01:39 PM

Lalwendë Could there even be Hobbit... 05-19-2006, 01:56 PM

Formendacil Only Orks with pureblooded... 05-19-2006, 02:42 PM

Boromir88 But the question is were... 05-19-2006, 08:50 PM

Raynor It must be pointed out that... 05-20-2006, 04:49 AM

Boromir88 Manwe, interesting post,... 05-20-2006, 06:33 AM

Mänwe Raynor But the Elves... 05-22-2006, 03:33 PM

Letty Yes,orcs were once elves.... 05-31-2006, 11:51 AM

Raynor In my opinion, the shortening... 10-05-2006, 02:35 PM

Gil-Galad alright, i pulled the... 10-06-2006, 10:39 PM

Mänwe In reply... 10-07-2006, 09:47 AM

Animalmother Hobbit kin as Orc ancestors 08-13-2010, 10:47 AM

skip spence Animalmother! I remember... 08-13-2010, 11:55 AM

Inziladun It is indeed an interesting... 08-13-2010, 01:01 PM

Galin Plus externally we don't find... 08-13-2010, 01:42 PM

Pitchwife *succumbs to temptation of... 08-15-2010, 12:56 PM

Inziladun Sauron needn't have been... 08-15-2010, 01:25 PM

Pitchwife :D:D:D 08-15-2010, 01:37 PM

Feanor of the Peredhil Orcs: 08-15-2010, 03:20 PM

morwen edhelwen ha ha.. basically I guess if... 08-16-2010, 04:02 AM

Nerwen Meaning they turn back into... 08-16-2010, 04:28 AM

Morthoron Orcs were Elves who eschewed... 08-16-2010, 09:23 AM

Formendacil As far as an overall decrease... 08-24-2010, 07:21 AM

Galin It's possible that some Orcs... 08-24-2010, 07:43 AM

Animalmother Orc Aristocrats 03-21-2011, 11:28 PM

Alfirin Another argument in favor of... 04-02-2011, 01:18 PM

Morthoron Saruman: 'Ello, I wish to... 04-03-2011, 07:37 AM

Alfirin and I suppose he'll next... 04-03-2011, 08:13 AM

Inziladun It still doesn't make sense... 04-03-2011, 08:54 AM

Galadriel55 They could have interbred... 04-03-2011, 09:04 AM

Alfirin okay my main point was really... 04-03-2011, 03:54 PM

Inziladun Just to stir this old pot... 06-04-2011, 07:57 PM

Legate of Amon Lanc Hey, Zil, that's not a bad... 06-05-2011, 03:19 AM

Galin I think this is a notable... 06-05-2011, 12:37 PM

Inziladun For sure, by the time of... 06-05-2011, 03:26 PM

Kuruharan Elementary my dear Elrond! 06-06-2011, 06:56 AM

Galin I stumbled across an... 07-04-2011, 08:57 PM

Inziladun In a letter from 1954,... 07-04-2011, 09:35 PM

Galin Right, I think Tolkien had a... 07-05-2011, 06:45 AM

Galadriel55 Possibly its the relationship... 07-05-2011, 07:34 AM

Alfirin Tecnically that is only... 07-05-2011, 07:58 AM

Inziladun I was aware that there could... 07-05-2011, 12:47 PM

Eruhen To my (admittedly non-expert)... 07-05-2011, 06:32 PM

Alfirin Beardedness seems to vary... 07-06-2011, 05:16 AM

Inziladun The first Orcs were thought... 08-13-2010, 01:45 PM

Galin I agree: if any Elves were... 08-13-2010, 02:01 PM

ninja91 Letty, Saruman explained that... 06-01-2006, 05:30 AM

Gil-Galad Melkor made orcs as a mockery... 10-04-2006, 03:22 PM

Mänwe Gil-Galad, quite! Well said... 10-05-2006, 08:07 AM

Galadriel I do not know if this has... 07-30-2011, 10:19 AM

Inziladun More food for thought on this... 09-19-2011, 08:50 AM

Galin I like the internal approach... 09-21-2011, 11:39 AM

alatar When you read the Sil, with... 11-29-2011, 09:07 PM

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leapofberen I think this hits the nail on... 12-24-2011, 01:35 PM

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Yet again I would agree: why do corrupted Men necessarily need to be so much smaller than Men?

Possibly its the relationship of height to stature. It is marked that Numenorians were taller than other Men. However, as years pased and their stature in ME dwindled, they became shorter. Orcs fell much lower.

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