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Formendacil · 07-10-2006, 11:59 PM

Okay, I think we're all aware of the Diamond/Roa vendetta regarding WW playing styles... so enough out of you two. Let someone else do the arguing.

Though I admit the validity of Roa's arguments, and can see where she's coming from, I definitely come down on Diamond's side of the argument. I am going to be online at A,B, and C times of day, and I'll do what I can during those times, and I'll make sure I vote (well, except for that one moment of lapsed memory during Cailin's game, after which I was killed by Jenny anyway...). I'm not going to play by anybody's conventions, but what the rules require and I myself stipulate.

You guys wonder why I go on and on about Day 1s? My post back there ingame- the one in which I was accused of backpedalling my first post's statements- was perfectly true to life.

And I DO largely do it to tweak people's noses. You tell me how to play, and I'm going to ignore you. I've been Werewolfing long enough that I think I know how the game's played. And if I die on Day 1 or so... well that's REALLY disappointing, but I'll take it in stride, 'cause I sure ain't changing my style just to suit you lot.

And changing my style would be equally suspicious anyway...

Seriously, no matter what you do... there's going to be a winner and a loser. (Well, except in my game....)

And to expect the same commitment from every player, every time is just... foolish. It's summer, people have lives. I suspect if you look at WW VII, or other games from last summer, you won't see "Duelling Wizards" levels of intensity.

Macalaure · 07-11-2006, 03:41 AM

I really don't see what the current quarrel is about.

Of course, playing Werewolf is about fun.

But, of course, as it is with any other game as well, playing is most fun if everybody is trying to play at their best.

And, of course, as soon as it is only about playing the best one can, the fun goes down.
The truth is somewhere in between. I think this is quite common sense, after all.

And Diamond, Nogrod is not trying to send us on guilt-trips (at least this is how I understand it). Almost everybody wasn't playing at or near his/her best, and he was a little disgruntled that nobody actually discussed why this was the case and everybody just accepted it.

JennyHallu · 07-11-2006, 06:01 AM

Hey, peeps...

I really don't like the implication that the villagers didn't put into the game everything we should. Sometimes, Noggie, the wolves win, and are better than us, and manipulate us. It happens. Life is a straw--suck it up!

And hear, hear, Diamond! I'm about fed up with all the people who take this game so seriously. I'm especially fed up with all the ad hominem attacks on people who disagree with others on how the game ought to be played.

mormegil · 07-11-2006, 07:57 AM

Hey Valesse thanks for a wonderful game. I had fun.

Kitanna · 07-11-2006, 08:01 AM

Indeed, this whole post-game conversation is a waste. I had fun even if others think not enough effort has been put forward. But if this is how WW games are going to be from now on, I think I'll retire from them.

Thanks Valesse for a fun and enjoyable game, your modding was excellent. And thank you Diamond for your insight.

Nogrod · 07-11-2006, 09:04 AM

Sorry. I may have expressed myself badly or given bad impressions. Surely I have not intended to pick up on anyone ar anything like that. If I have, I'm very sorry. That has not been intended.

Yes. I had fun (especially on Day2). If I wouldn't have fun playing WW, I wouldn't play.

Also having fun is the reason to play, not winning. That I have voiced many times here. I'll be much more satisfied with a great and lost game than with a bad but won one. (That's one of the reasons I disapprove the playing-style of one post/Day. It's quite easy to survive a long time with that style, but is it fun to anyone? It seems more like a calculated style to win, not an effort to actually play)

The wolves outwitted the village left-handedly this time around. They played really well. We villagers weren't that good here. Yeah, that happens.

Roa_Aoife · 07-11-2006, 09:36 AM

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This game had trouble gaining players. Many people signed up because they were asked to. I mean, people were being PMed to join, me included, and I felt really bad about declining. But you can't tell people that if they're not prepared to satisfy you, they shouldn't play, unless you are the mod.

It's not about me, it's about everyone. I want Werewolf to be fun as much as everyone else does. Did I have fun this game? No,. and it had nothing to do with Valesse. I played horribly. I was so off my game this time that I thought I would be an easy lynch. I am terribly apologetic about it, becuase it's not fair to the other people who were trying to have a good game.

Were we going on and on about something? I don't think so. Three people chimed in with their opinion of the whole thing, and suddenly we're putting everyone down, and making it un-fun, and being totally unfair. Well, you may resent me for saying we didn't do very well this game, but I can be equally resentful for being attacked and accused of being selfish and domineering everytime I try to be helpful about pointing out what went wrong and how we can do better next time. I notice that no one has actually made a point against Nogrod's, Mac's and my statements, except to say that they were busy. Well, guess what? We're all busy. Some of more than others. I've stated already that I was exceptionally busy this game. But I made time for it out of respect for you people. Is it really too much to expect a reciprocal?

07-10-2006, 11:59 PM	#1
Formendacil Dead Serious Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perched on Thangorodrim's towers. Posts: 3,326	Okay, I think we're all aware of the Diamond/Roa vendetta regarding WW playing styles... so enough out of you two. Let someone else do the arguing. Though I admit the validity of Roa's arguments, and can see where she's coming from, I definitely come down on Diamond's side of the argument. I am going to be online at A,B, and C times of day, and I'll do what I can during those times, and I'll make sure I vote (well, except for that one moment of lapsed memory during Cailin's game, after which I was killed by Jenny anyway...). I'm not going to play by anybody's conventions, but what the rules require and I myself stipulate. You guys wonder why I go on and on about Day 1s? My post back there ingame- the one in which I was accused of backpedalling my first post's statements- was perfectly true to life. And I DO largely do it to tweak people's noses. You tell me how to play, and I'm going to ignore you. I've been Werewolfing long enough that I think I know how the game's played. And if I die on Day 1 or so... well that's REALLY disappointing, but I'll take it in stride, 'cause I sure ain't changing my style just to suit you lot. And changing my style would be equally suspicious anyway... Seriously, no matter what you do... there's going to be a winner and a loser. (Well, except in my game....) And to expect the same commitment from every player, every time is just... foolish. It's summer, people have lives. I suspect if you look at WW VII, or other games from last summer, you won't see "Duelling Wizards" levels of intensity. __________________ I prefer history, true or feigned.

07-11-2006, 06:01 AM	#3
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	Hey, peeps... I really don't like the implication that the villagers didn't put into the game everything we should. Sometimes, Noggie, the wolves win, and are better than us, and manipulate us. It happens. Life is a straw--suck it up! And hear, hear, Diamond! I'm about fed up with all the people who take this game so seriously. I'm especially fed up with all the ad hominem attacks on people who disagree with others on how the game ought to be played. __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!

07-11-2006, 07:57 AM	#4
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	Hey Valesse thanks for a wonderful game. I had fun. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

07-11-2006, 08:01 AM	#5
Kitanna Child of the West Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Watching President Fillmore ride a unicorn Posts: 2,132	Indeed, this whole post-game conversation is a waste. I had fun even if others think not enough effort has been put forward. But if this is how WW games are going to be from now on, I think I'll retire from them. Thanks Valesse for a fun and enjoyable game, your modding was excellent. And thank you Diamond for your insight. __________________ "Let us live so that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain

07-11-2006, 09:04 AM	#6
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Sorry. I may have expressed myself badly or given bad impressions. Surely I have not intended to pick up on anyone ar anything like that. If I have, I'm very sorry. That has not been intended. Yes. I had fun (especially on Day2). If I wouldn't have fun playing WW, I wouldn't play. Also having fun is the reason to play, not winning. That I have voiced many times here. I'll be much more satisfied with a great and lost game than with a bad but won one. (That's one of the reasons I disapprove the playing-style of one post/Day. It's quite easy to survive a long time with that style, but is it fun to anyone? It seems more like a calculated style to win, not an effort to actually play) The wolves outwitted the village left-handedly this time around. They played really well. We villagers weren't that good here. Yeah, that happens. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

07-11-2006, 03:41 AM	#2
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	I really don't see what the current quarrel is about. Of course, playing Werewolf is about fun. But, of course, as it is with any other game as well, playing is most fun if everybody is trying to play at their best. And, of course, as soon as it is only about playing the best one can, the fun goes down. The truth is somewhere in between. I think this is quite common sense, after all. And Diamond, Nogrod is not trying to send us on guilt-trips (at least this is how I understand it). Almost everybody wasn't playing at or near his/her best, and he was a little disgruntled that nobody actually discussed why this was the case and everybody just accepted it.