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mormegil · 07-10-2006, 06:41 AM

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Then we had quite bold wolves.

Why is that a problem?

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known innocent Mormegil wasn't able to contribute a lot on Day2

A better statement would be: Mormegil's contributions weren't heeded on Day 2. Remember I voted Valier and suspected Roa next right after her. I also thought Nogrod innocent and told you to listen to him about Kitanna.

Macalaure · 07-10-2006, 07:57 AM

Bold wolves aren't necessarily a problem, of course. But this time, without a bold innocent to withstand them left, we were easy prey. Maybe we didn't make up enough of our own thoughts as well and too many of us went with those whose words sounded most fair - or convenient.

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A better statement would be: Mormegil's contributions weren't heeded on Day 2.

You're probably right. I think many of us forgot your statements by the time the debate got more heated and the deadline moved near (our fault, once more). I should have said "known innocent Mormegil wasn't able to contribute as much as he would have wanted". I guess you would have had a word or two about the course the arguments of that Day went. I'm not blaming you, of course, but your opinions at that particular time might have been crucial.

Roa_Aoife · 07-10-2006, 09:31 AM

Just to drive the point home, Naria, who wasn't even participating in the game, had me pegged on Day 2. Why? Because I completely made up the case against Nogrod, and he and Jenny were the only ones that caught it. I had a busy week and didn't have the time to go against someone with a thorough case up until the last few minutes of the game with Eomer. (I didn't make stuff up on that one, though.)

Personally, I was glad no one listened to morm. If he had come up with a more reasonable case than "I suspect these people," (what was your case against Valier?) then he might have been more successful. Part of the reason I started the debate with Nogrod was to drive attention that way instead of with the known innocent. And with everyone so quiet and Nogrod and Eomer going right in, it wasn't difficult.

And to all you people who think summaries and analysis are pointless and unhelpful, look at the power they have, or could have had. I believe the only one who did analysis at all was Jenny, and they were all but ignored! Yes, it takes some effort to go through everyone's posts, firgure out what they're really saying, put it all in order next to each other so as to see the discrepencies, and come to conclusions based on those, but really it's worth it. and sure, it may take a little extra reading time to go through someone else's analysis and determine if it's fair/accurate or not. I've used it as both an innocent catching wolves (from my very first game where I used it to catch Valier to my last game as an innocent where it caught Boromir on Day 1 *sticks tongue out at Form*) and as a wolf misdirecting innocents (really, everywhere- look.)

Roa_Aoife · 07-10-2006, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Morm

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Then we had quite bold wolves.

Why is that a problem?

Normally, it's no more of a problem than any other wolves, but in a quiet village, the wolves can either quietly go along with out being noticed, or they can be bold and gain complete control of the village. The later was the case here. By the end of Day 2, we were driving the vote any which way we wanted, and the only people who challenged us got lynched. As powerful as we were, it was really over at that point.

Nogrod · 07-10-2006, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Normally, it's no more of a problem than any other wolves, but in a quiet village, the wolves can either quietly go along with out being noticed, or they can be bold and gain complete control of the village. The later was the case here. By the end of Day 2, we were driving the vote any which way we wanted, and the only people who challenged us got lynched. As powerful as we were, it was really over at that point.

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Originally Posted by Macalaure

Bold wolves aren't necessarily a problem, of course. But this time, without a bold innocent to withstand them left, we were easy prey. Maybe we didn't make up enough of our own thoughts as well and too many of us went with those whose words sounded most fair - or convenient.

I think that was exactly the problem. Most of the villagers were just pleased to hunker down, not to get their own necks in the open and thence the village lost. I agree with both Roa and Macalaure here. Conveniently securing one's own butt is not always the way to victory - it never is.

Bad game, sorry to say this. Some people tried, too many didn't.

Mithalwen · 07-10-2006, 11:55 AM

Some of us tried our best. Obviously it wasn't good enough but people who live in glass houses.....

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 07-10-2006, 12:33 PM

I didn't do as much as I could have done but I had a lot of other, more pressing, matters to attend to last week. I certainly wasn't free enough to get obsessed by the game. I think we must always bear* in mind that it's just a game and we should try to put having fun ahead of meticulously getting everything right.

*used the right one this time.

07-10-2006, 09:31 AM	#3
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	Just to drive the point home, Naria, who wasn't even participating in the game, had me pegged on Day 2. Why? Because I completely made up the case against Nogrod, and he and Jenny were the only ones that caught it. I had a busy week and didn't have the time to go against someone with a thorough case up until the last few minutes of the game with Eomer. (I didn't make stuff up on that one, though.) Personally, I was glad no one listened to morm. If he had come up with a more reasonable case than "I suspect these people," (what was your case against Valier?) then he might have been more successful. Part of the reason I started the debate with Nogrod was to drive attention that way instead of with the known innocent. And with everyone so quiet and Nogrod and Eomer going right in, it wasn't difficult. And to all you people who think summaries and analysis are pointless and unhelpful, look at the power they have, or could have had. I believe the only one who did analysis at all was Jenny, and they were all but ignored! Yes, it takes some effort to go through everyone's posts, firgure out what they're really saying, put it all in order next to each other so as to see the discrepencies, and come to conclusions based on those, but really it's worth it. and sure, it may take a little extra reading time to go through someone else's analysis and determine if it's fair/accurate or not. I've used it as both an innocent catching wolves (from my very first game where I used it to catch Valier to my last game as an innocent where it caught Boromir on Day 1 sticks tongue out at Form) and as a wolf misdirecting innocents (really, everywhere- look.) __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

07-10-2006, 11:55 AM	#6
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,459	Some of us tried our best. Obviously it wasn't good enough but people who live in glass houses..... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-10-2006, 12:33 PM	#7
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	I didn't do as much as I could have done but I had a lot of other, more pressing, matters to attend to last week. I certainly wasn't free enough to get obsessed by the game. I think we must always bear* in mind that it's just a game and we should try to put having fun ahead of meticulously getting everything right. used the right one this time. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond*