Game thread - Werewolf C - The Father Christmas Murders

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I protest this characterization. First post yes. The rest though...not banter at all. I suppose compared to your posts it is 99% banter, but that must make posts from others indefinitely banter?

It does. But the point is, you, the way I know you, are more to the Nog-side than to the xyzzy-side, if you get my meaning (for those players who don't know: xyzzy was a person famous for playing in several games, basically posting one post per day if ever, if that post contained a vote, it was quite random, and so on...). I would have expected you to poke people into actually talking, yet your posts give the impression that effectively, until the point I asked for some substance in posting, you seemed happy with continuing ICly until DL. Or in other words (if I say it in a bit exaggerated way), I would have expected *you* to say "hey people, start saying something" instead of waiting for *me* to do it.

Such behavior wouldn't seem strange to me in the case of, say, sally, but in yours, it does.

[McCaber]

Yeah, where has sally been? She hasn't said anything about needing to be absent toDay.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Such behavior wouldn't seem strange to me in the case of, say, sally, but in yours, it does.

It could just depend on when an idea comes to me...if I'm staring at no new posts, thus no new info to input, can't really prod, right? But an idea has come to me...Here's the player list:

Sally - Little Cindy Lou Who
Shasta - Jack Frost
G55 - Rudolph
Coppermirror - The Ghost of Christmas Present
Steve - Valkotukka
Morsul - The Grinch
Nerwen - The Sugar Plum Fairy
Zil - Frosty
McCaber - Tiny Tim
Lommy - Paksu
Legate - Santa Claus

Myself removed, because it's a hypothetical that logically can't involve me. So here's the hypothetical...

You're tied in votes with the person below you on the list (In this case, Legate, you're at the bottom, so instead it would be sally). I have the last vote, what would you say to me (based on what's taken place so far today) to convince me not to vote for you, and instead to lynch sally? (Anyone else who wants to apply this hypothetical, feel free...Lommy you're tied with Legate, I have the last vote...why should I vote to lynch Legate and not you?...etc)

[Boromir88]

And crap...forgot Lommy voted...

[Coppermirror]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

You're tied in votes with the person below you on the list (In this case, Legate, you're at the bottom, so instead it would be sally). I have the last vote, what would you say to me (based on what's taken place so far today) to convince me not to vote for you, and instead to lynch sally? (Anyone else who wants to apply this hypothetical, feel free...Lommy you're tied with Legate, I have the last vote...why should I vote to lynch Legate and not you?...etc)

Why not, I'll apply this too. We might get some extra info from people if a bunch of us do this. Or we might not, but we have very little to go by anyway.

So for me, that means that I'd be tied on votes with Eonwe. I would say that you shouldn't vote for me because I'm actively participating, and Eonwe, for whatever reason, hasn't said much yet.

But Boro, why don't you try this too? That means that you need to look at the hypothetical situation of why people shouldn't vote for you in the event of a tie between you and McCaber. I'd like to hear it.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

But Boro, why don't you try this too? That means that you need to look at the hypothetical situation of why people shouldn't vote for you in the event of a tie between you and McCaber. I'd like to hear it.

Sure...why not.

McCaber admittedly withholds a lot of what he's thinking...either to my great benefit or flaw, I don't. I'm an unfiltered blabberer, but it also lets everyone know where I stand and how I go about conducting business/voting. If I'm a wolfy, it's going to be known within 2 or 3 days, guaranteed. McCaber can never get a grasp on, rather unpredictable, but it also means he's very good at slipping through forgotten, an ideal "wolf under the radar" candidate.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

It could just depend on when an idea comes to me...if I'm staring at no new posts, thus no new info to input, can't really prod, right?

But to me, the idea came. It really is not about saying something brilliant. It is about actually making an effort to say, or make people say something. I mean really, this has been one of the laziest Day Ones I have seen in WW, I really don't want to sound like Nog, it's all fun, we're waiting for Christmas, but if we are to lynch somebody...

Anyway, as for your list, well! That's actually not a bad idea for Day 1. Even though it has gaps (for instance, like you said, my place would be to say why not me but sally - then obviously I would say "she hasn't been around at all", which pretty much is an undisputable argument), it's a nice one. It'd have been even better if you had posted something like that half a Day ago and not two hours before DL (or how much exactly it is)... though it is true that it might give some good info even in the upcoming few hours, and also feedback for future Days to look back at...

Anyway, now I should say, that however I appreciate Boro's effort, I must say something strikes me as false in that whole behavior (up to the "I forgot that Lommy voted" - for some reason, that struck me as false, I don't know why, but it just seems that way). Partially also I agree with Copper, why don't you also play this game, even though you have removed yourself (rather illogically) from the list (if it's meant to be for everyone, there is no need for making a "subjective" list if everyone is supposed to try it anyway).

EDIT: x-ed with Nerwen

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

But to me, the idea came. It really is not about saying something brilliant. It is about actually making an effort to say, or make people say something. I mean really, this has been one of the laziest Day Ones I have seen in WW, I really don't want to sound like Nog, it's all fun, we're waiting for Christmas, but if we are to lynch somebody...

Anyway, as for your list, well! That's actually not a bad idea for Day 1. Even though it has gaps (for instance, like you said, my place would be to say why not me but sally - then obviously I would say "she hasn't been around at all", which pretty much is an undisputable argument), it's a nice one. It'd have been even better if you had posted something like that half a Day ago and not two hours before DL (or how much exactly it is)... though it is true that it might give some good info even in the upcoming few hours, and also feedback for future Days to look back at...

Anyway, now I should say, that however I appreciate Boro's effort, I must say something strikes me as false in that whole behavior (up to the "I forgot that Lommy voted" - for some reason, that struck me as false, I don't know why, but it just seems that way). Partially also I agree with Copper, why don't you also play this game, even though you have removed yourself (rather illogically) from the list (if it's meant to be for everyone, there is no need for making a "subjective" list if everyone is supposed to try it anyway).

EDIT: x-ed with Nerwen

Hey now, I'm clearly making an effort here, don't criticize the time when I finally think of something...criticize the suspiciosness or unsuspicionsess of the effort.

Well, I had just asked Lommy to tell me why I should vote for you instead of her if the vote was tied. But then realized she likely would not be answering that today since she voted...ergo I forgot she had.

[Galadriel55]

Why Cop and not me? Good question. Huh.

Interesting effects too. Should I be pointing out my innocence or her (hypothetical) guilt?

The only issue I have with Cop is that she mixed her IC into her posts in such a way that I can't grasp her degree of seriousness. If she is a wolf, she could be easily hiding behind some of those comments. When you can't tell if she's serious about something, she could say "I said it first, here it is!" or "I never meant it, it was just a joke!" depending on the outcome.

However this case may be, I have already asked Cop to please distinguish between the two and I pray she does in the future, and I am not crying wolf based on this, or at least solely this.

I am more interested in voting either Legate or Boro. Probably Legate. He rubs me the wrong way. It's not a strong "whoa! something's wrong!" vibe, it's more of a just weird anxious feeling. And it's stronger with Legate than with Boro.

EDIT: xed with Cop and Zil

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Hey now, I'm clearly making an effort here, don't criticize the time when I finally think of something...criticize the suspiciosness or unsuspicionsess of the effort.

I am not criticizing the time, it was merely saying that you could have done it earlier, nothing more, nothing less. The part that makes you look pretty weird in my eyes in this game is that you seemed completely leaving the "game part" of the game out until really really late, which I would not have expected you to do, unless it suited you to leave the village without talking or what.

Well, I had just asked Lommy to tell me why I should vote for you instead of her if the vote was tied. But then realized she likely would not be answering that today since she voted...ergo I forgot she had.

I know, I know. It was just the manner of it, sort of a strange appendix. But it's not what worries me, the whole way of how you act is just so... not like yourself.

I really have to go to sleep, though. Okay, people have been behaving really really weirdly here toDay, but to decide,

++Boro

whose acting is just on top of my suspicions now. It's still only Day 1, but he's been really strangely noncommited at first and somewhat shifty now.

Good night...

EDIT: x-ed since Cop

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Morsul

All right, but that snowman will have to have a hat of their own. This one's taken!
Not sure why... but read this in a dixie southern woman's voice and it was Hilarious

It does!

Originally Posted by Legate

So otherwise, as for more practical questions... maybe one thing that should be cleared about the rules (maybe the Moddess should actually answer this, if she happens to be reading?), the Cobbler does count in the tally as innocent or as Wolf?

I think there's been.... oh, maybe one game ever where the Cobbler counted as a wolf. (Maybe I'm wrong, as we're now up to WWC, so probably pretty much anything you could think of has happened by now.) But still– it would be such an exceptional thing I'm wondering why you feel the need to ask at all. It's like asking, "Can the Ranger kill people?"

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

Nerwen - The Sugar Plum Fairy: Shared reindeer language interpretations with us, and suggested through that that Boromir is a hooved wolf. Could be nothing but a joke. Could be an opportunistic Seer trying to hide an accusation, but probably isn't. Could be a wolf or Cobbler trying to look a little Seer-ish.

Translation: "Hey, wolves, look what I found!" No, really, are you sure you're not the Cobbler of Christmas Present?

EDIT:X'd with Coppermirror.

[Coppermirror]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Translation: "Hey, wolves, look what I found!" No, really, are you sure you're not the Cobbler of Christmas Present?

Very sure, thank you. But you commenting on that and trying to make it look like a signal does give me something extra to analyse about whether or not you're the Cobbler or a wolf, given that the gist of my comment settled on it being more likely that your statement was a Cobbler or wolf sign. Granted, I haven't suspected you a huge amount yet.

Edit: cross-posted with Legate and G55.

[Inziladun]

Right, to go on with Boro's idea, why should someone vote Boro over me? Hm. Honestly, I've got nothing. He's been quite a bit more active, with substantial posts. I can't really come up with anything, except that I'm not evil. I'm sure that's a great help.

x/d with Coppermirror

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I think there's been.... oh, maybe one game ever where the Cobbler counted as a wolf. (Maybe I'm wrong, as we're now up to WWC, so probably pretty much anything you could think of has happened by now.) But still– it would be such an exceptional thing I'm wondering why you feel the need to ask at all. It's like asking, "Can the Ranger kill people?"

Really? Maybe it's that I am used to every Mod pointing that out, because basically in each game with a Cobbler I have played it was specified. Though when I think about it, you might be right. Nonetheless, I haven't been playing for who knows how long and well, who knows what house-rules you have come up with meanwhile...

Translation: "Hey, wolves, look what I found!" No, really, are you sure you're not the Cobbler of Christmas Present?

EDIT:X'd with Coppermirror.

Hmm. Actually interesting spot, somehow I missed that. Though the end of the sentence reverses it a bit ("could be Wolf pretending to be Seer" seems more as if Cop was basically thinking about it as a whole), but still, an innocent villager should be very careful about mentioning such things.

EDIT: x-ed since my last, and soon to vote, ugh, the clock!