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Why Can't Movies Be Like Books?

Meriadoc1961 Why Can't Movies Be Like... 10-20-2007, 09:51 AM

Folwren I have seen one movie that... 10-20-2007, 10:47 AM

Meriadoc1961 "I think it is possible to... 10-20-2007, 11:07 AM

Sauron the White In the imaginary kingdom of... 10-20-2007, 11:36 AM

Annatar Just as a note, that "orc... 10-20-2007, 11:36 AM

Finduilas [QUOTE=Annatar;534340] ... 10-20-2007, 11:46 AM

Annatar Elbereth takes little or no... 10-20-2007, 12:11 PM

Sauron the White Imrahil would have worked... 10-20-2007, 12:22 PM

Sir Kohran Actually I believe Imrahil... 10-20-2007, 12:25 PM

Sauron the White Meriadoc... since it was... 10-20-2007, 12:53 PM

Meriadoc1961 Annatar wrote: "Not to be... 10-20-2007, 02:12 PM

Folwren Meriadoc - I don't think that... 10-20-2007, 07:41 PM

Sauron the White There certainly are portions... 10-20-2007, 08:23 PM

davem How was that a 'vast... 10-21-2007, 01:37 AM

Annatar The changing of Boromir's... 10-21-2007, 03:27 AM

davem In what sense 'a good thing?'... 10-21-2007, 04:55 AM

Sir Kohran I think it's an improvement.... 10-21-2007, 06:08 AM

Raynor But he plays a very important... 10-21-2007, 06:45 AM

davem Again, that's a matter of... 10-21-2007, 09:18 AM

Finduilas The counsil could have been... 10-21-2007, 09:33 AM

Folwren Heh...Finduilas and davem are... 10-21-2007, 09:46 AM

Sauron the White from davem Correct me... 10-21-2007, 10:20 AM

davem Yes - & your point is? That... 10-21-2007, 10:39 AM

Sauron the White As I wrote in my previous... 10-21-2007, 11:01 AM

Imladris It's more of a general rule... 10-21-2007, 11:58 AM

davem Ok, so your position is that... 10-21-2007, 12:49 PM

Sauron the White from davem NO. My... 10-21-2007, 01:16 PM

davem No, Jackson completely... 10-21-2007, 01:39 PM

Sauron the White Your opinion is worthwhile... 10-21-2007, 02:26 PM

Folwren My dear fellow...your are... 10-21-2007, 03:01 PM

Sauron the White from Folwren You are... 10-21-2007, 03:10 PM

davem Most people on this site have... 10-21-2007, 04:04 PM

Sauron the White No assault on you or anyone... 10-21-2007, 04:25 PM

William Cloud Hicklin I take it you've never seen... 10-21-2007, 09:41 PM

Annatar That quote refers to the... 10-22-2007, 09:13 AM

Sir Kohran Assuming I've got the one... 10-22-2007, 11:35 AM

davem Honestly, I think it depends... 10-22-2007, 12:11 PM

Sir Kohran Let's face it - that's how... 10-22-2007, 02:00 PM

davem All I wanted was to be... 10-22-2007, 02:30 PM

Sir Kohran Tha's the difficulty. Heck, I... 10-22-2007, 03:01 PM

Sauron the White Like many things of this... 10-22-2007, 03:18 PM

davem My problem with the movies is... 10-22-2007, 04:01 PM

Sauron the White from davem That... 10-22-2007, 05:09 PM

Sir Kohran Maybe that's the case. I saw... 10-22-2007, 05:18 PM

Sauron the White For those who criticize the... 10-23-2007, 06:54 AM

davem The difference, as I've... 10-23-2007, 07:23 AM

Sauron the White Davem ... I do appreciate... 10-23-2007, 07:59 AM

William Cloud Hicklin No, actually; not of his own... 10-23-2007, 09:06 AM

Sauron the White WCH - and if PJ wanted that... 10-23-2007, 09:16 AM

William Cloud Hicklin Stuff and nonsense. The... 10-23-2007, 09:14 AM

Sir Kohran I had a big post that covered... 10-23-2007, 09:35 AM

William Cloud Hicklin I actually have little... 10-23-2007, 09:42 AM

davem Images are still more... 10-23-2007, 10:32 AM

Annatar The books contain violence.... 10-23-2007, 11:08 AM

Folwren I wonder if Tolkien would... 10-23-2007, 11:33 AM

Sir Kohran This sounds overly-sensitive.... 10-23-2007, 11:42 AM

Sauron the White Folwren asks an interesting... 10-23-2007, 11:51 AM

Folwren What, the music? :p In... 10-23-2007, 06:41 PM

Sauron the White Folwren... yes you are right.... 10-23-2007, 06:53 PM

William Cloud Hicklin You really think that the... 10-23-2007, 08:47 PM

Sauron the White Could you please provide some... 10-23-2007, 09:16 PM

Folwren I don't know. This is a... 10-24-2007, 08:07 AM

Meriadoc1961 Folwren wrote: "In all... 10-24-2007, 10:50 AM

davem Yes, he depicted in graphic... 10-24-2007, 01:45 AM

Essex very interesting debate. Just... 10-24-2007, 03:34 AM

davem When I was 17 I would have... 10-23-2007, 11:57 AM

William Cloud Hicklin Not Victorian; Mediaeval. ... 10-23-2007, 02:53 PM

Sauron the White That is certainly one very... 10-23-2007, 04:02 PM

Sir Kohran davem? Are you going to... 10-23-2007, 04:32 PM

William Cloud Hicklin To chime in in support of... 10-24-2007, 12:47 PM

Sauron the White WCW - I dearly love LAWRENCE... 10-24-2007, 01:00 PM

William Cloud Hicklin What does this have to do... 10-24-2007, 01:29 PM

Sauron the White WCH- thank you for that... 10-24-2007, 01:37 PM

William Cloud Hicklin Well, that could be said of... 10-24-2007, 01:51 PM

Sauron the White WCH - I think you greatly... 10-24-2007, 02:13 PM

davem Yes, but. That being the case... 10-24-2007, 02:57 PM

Sauron the White from davem Sounds like... 10-24-2007, 03:22 PM

davem One can criticise the quality... 10-24-2007, 03:32 PM

Sauron the White Good point. I believe the... 10-24-2007, 03:35 PM

davem I've yet to come across a... 10-24-2007, 03:44 PM

Sauron the White Allow me to add school... 10-24-2007, 05:25 PM

William Cloud Hicklin In fact he was both- Oxford... 10-24-2007, 08:03 PM

Kath In need of something to... 10-25-2007, 10:45 AM

Folwren Hear, Hear! (Really...I... 10-25-2007, 10:59 AM

Sauron the White Folwren may have nothing else... 10-25-2007, 01:04 PM

davem But the Ring is not 'the be... 10-25-2007, 01:49 PM

Folwren You seem to have nothing... 10-25-2007, 01:55 PM

Sauron the White Folwren. I am in total... 10-25-2007, 02:16 PM

William Cloud Hicklin Oh, no. No no no no no. This... 10-25-2007, 04:17 PM

Sauron the White Forget Shippey. I will read... 10-25-2007, 04:41 PM

davem The 'ring a dong dillo'/ 'fa... 10-26-2007, 02:41 AM

William Cloud Hicklin Then you're being wilfully... 10-26-2007, 08:31 AM

davem StW Have to agree with Mr... 10-26-2007, 09:09 AM

Sauron the White Did Faramir physically have... 10-26-2007, 09:45 AM

davem Sam had it on him & wasn't... 10-26-2007, 09:52 AM

Annatar The movies are not the books.... 10-26-2007, 10:09 AM

davem This is the kind of... 10-26-2007, 10:11 AM

Bêthberry Myself, on the other hand,... 10-26-2007, 10:30 AM

William Cloud Hicklin To which rather arrogant... 10-26-2007, 10:22 AM

William Cloud Hicklin Annatar: But the movies... 10-26-2007, 10:34 AM

William Cloud Hicklin What's yet more frighteneing... 10-26-2007, 10:52 AM

Sauron the White Is it fair to say that the... 10-26-2007, 11:03 AM

William Cloud Hicklin What the text itself says is... 10-26-2007, 11:26 AM

Sauron the White Bethberry... here are the... 10-26-2007, 11:29 AM

Bêthberry My good fellow Sauron the... 10-27-2007, 07:39 AM

Sauron the White If you wanted to see a... 10-27-2007, 07:45 AM

Bêthberry Sauron the White, it is an... 10-27-2007, 10:19 AM

William Cloud Hicklin Just informationally, folks:... 10-27-2007, 01:54 PM

davem The Ring corrupts if you take... 10-26-2007, 12:08 PM

Sauron the White Davem, thank you for your... 10-26-2007, 12:29 PM

davem Sam (in the book) rejected... 10-26-2007, 01:05 PM

Sauron the White Davem ... thank you for that... 10-26-2007, 01:40 PM

William Cloud Hicklin Yes, you're on the right... 10-26-2007, 03:06 PM

Sauron the White It sounds like you have... 10-26-2007, 03:48 PM

William Cloud Hicklin Yep- even Frodo, even Sam,... 10-26-2007, 03:59 PM

Folwren Look...STW...Bombadil was not... 10-26-2007, 04:00 PM

Essex And there's the rub. One of... 10-29-2007, 07:41 AM

davem Well, you have an increase in... 10-26-2007, 04:30 PM

Sauron the White Folwren ..... I do enjoy... 10-26-2007, 05:02 PM

Folwren Well...I took your comment... 10-26-2007, 07:44 PM

William Cloud Hicklin But a character doesn't have... 10-26-2007, 09:27 PM

Meriadoc1961 I am amazed how people can... 10-27-2007, 05:53 PM

Sauron the White Meriadoc ... you have... 10-27-2007, 08:10 PM

Bêthberry It might be pointed out that... 10-27-2007, 10:43 PM

Meriadoc1961 Sauron the /White, I do... 10-28-2007, 12:43 PM

Sauron the White Meriadoc... no problem and no... 10-28-2007, 03:22 PM

Bêthberry Wise of course than none of... 10-29-2007, 10:08 AM

Bêthberry . . . continuing on . . . ... 10-29-2007, 10:09 AM

William Cloud Hicklin Sure it can. One only has to... 10-29-2007, 10:53 AM

Sauron the White WilliamCH... I am in complete... 10-29-2007, 11:12 AM

Essex It wouldn't work in that... 10-29-2007, 02:31 PM

Aiwendil WCH wrote: This may be... 10-29-2007, 03:11 PM

William Cloud Hicklin Yes, but. There's nowhere... 10-29-2007, 11:14 PM

Gwathagor Hey Merry, totally with you... 10-30-2007, 09:45 AM

alatar Just some thoughts 10-31-2007, 12:09 PM

Morwen Was there a necklace? I... 10-31-2007, 12:24 PM

alatar Sorry; thanks. Jewelry... 10-31-2007, 12:34 PM

radagastly Originally posted by alatar:... 10-31-2007, 01:04 PM

Morwen I think the book is richer... 10-31-2007, 01:08 PM

Sauron the White Alatar.... the Steelers??? ... 10-31-2007, 02:16 PM

alatar No clue. I have to admit... 10-31-2007, 09:04 PM

Sauron the White Alatar .. here is the serious... 11-01-2007, 05:30 AM

Gwathagor I don't know about YOU, StW,... 11-01-2007, 07:13 AM

davem Yes, but you're assuming... 11-01-2007, 07:35 AM

alatar And your previous post... 11-01-2007, 09:35 AM

Bêthberry I can just imagine! If we go... 11-01-2007, 07:43 AM

Sauron the White Davem ... yes, I do... 11-01-2007, 08:37 AM

William Cloud Hicklin It's not because they were... 11-01-2007, 09:11 AM

Gwathagor StW: The thread's title is... 11-01-2007, 09:28 AM

Sauron the White from WilliamCH Which... 11-01-2007, 09:45 AM

alatar Ignorance is bliss, someone... 11-01-2007, 09:51 AM

Sauron the White Alatar.... you post before my... 11-01-2007, 09:58 AM

alatar Why won't everyone just take... 11-01-2007, 10:39 AM

Sauron the White Alatar ... lets look at our... 11-01-2007, 10:45 AM

Raynor As people here are... 11-01-2007, 10:55 AM

alatar Yes, to the extent that we... 11-01-2007, 11:05 AM

Folwren I've figured STW out. I... 11-01-2007, 11:15 AM

Sauron the White 33.5 to be exact. Since... 11-01-2007, 11:19 AM

Folwren Well...perhaps I haven't... 11-01-2007, 11:30 AM

alatar So close to revelation...and... 11-01-2007, 11:36 AM

Quempel rrrrrrrrrrrrr..... this is... 11-01-2007, 11:45 AM

Folwren Hm. I'm sorry to have let so... 11-01-2007, 12:02 PM

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Estelyn Telcontar Apparently this thread has... 11-01-2007, 02:52 PM

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Kath But it seems that in your... 11-01-2007, 10:26 AM

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10-23-2007, 08:47 PM

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a small group of people who clung to these ancient values and had not yet realized the world had advanced beyond the years of the great plague.

You really think that the character of "Modern Man" is anything but a degenerate shadow of former greatness? Tolkien, for one, would passionately disagree; belches and dwarf-tossing gags standing as ample exemplars of 'advanced' taste. PJ was supposed to be, or at least claimed to be, adapting Tolkien not refuting him. Or else perhaps you approve of the deliberate hatchet job Verhoeven did on Starship Troopers?

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