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Why Can't Movies Be Like Books?

Meriadoc1961 Why Can't Movies Be Like... 10-20-2007, 09:51 AM

Folwren I have seen one movie that... 10-20-2007, 10:47 AM

Meriadoc1961 "I think it is possible to... 10-20-2007, 11:07 AM

Sauron the White In the imaginary kingdom of... 10-20-2007, 11:36 AM

Annatar Just as a note, that "orc... 10-20-2007, 11:36 AM

Finduilas [QUOTE=Annatar;534340] ... 10-20-2007, 11:46 AM

Annatar Elbereth takes little or no... 10-20-2007, 12:11 PM

Sauron the White Imrahil would have worked... 10-20-2007, 12:22 PM

Sir Kohran Actually I believe Imrahil... 10-20-2007, 12:25 PM

Sauron the White Meriadoc... since it was... 10-20-2007, 12:53 PM

Meriadoc1961 Annatar wrote: "Not to be... 10-20-2007, 02:12 PM

Folwren Meriadoc - I don't think that... 10-20-2007, 07:41 PM

Sauron the White There certainly are portions... 10-20-2007, 08:23 PM

davem How was that a 'vast... 10-21-2007, 01:37 AM

Annatar The changing of Boromir's... 10-21-2007, 03:27 AM

davem In what sense 'a good thing?'... 10-21-2007, 04:55 AM

Sir Kohran I think it's an improvement.... 10-21-2007, 06:08 AM

Raynor But he plays a very important... 10-21-2007, 06:45 AM

davem Again, that's a matter of... 10-21-2007, 09:18 AM

Finduilas The counsil could have been... 10-21-2007, 09:33 AM

Folwren Heh...Finduilas and davem are... 10-21-2007, 09:46 AM

Sauron the White from davem Correct me... 10-21-2007, 10:20 AM

davem Yes - & your point is? That... 10-21-2007, 10:39 AM

Sauron the White As I wrote in my previous... 10-21-2007, 11:01 AM

Imladris It's more of a general rule... 10-21-2007, 11:58 AM

davem Ok, so your position is that... 10-21-2007, 12:49 PM

Sauron the White from davem NO. My... 10-21-2007, 01:16 PM

davem No, Jackson completely... 10-21-2007, 01:39 PM

Sauron the White Your opinion is worthwhile... 10-21-2007, 02:26 PM

Folwren My dear fellow...your are... 10-21-2007, 03:01 PM

Sauron the White from Folwren You are... 10-21-2007, 03:10 PM

davem Most people on this site have... 10-21-2007, 04:04 PM

Sauron the White No assault on you or anyone... 10-21-2007, 04:25 PM

William Cloud Hicklin I take it you've never seen... 10-21-2007, 09:41 PM

Annatar That quote refers to the... 10-22-2007, 09:13 AM

Sir Kohran Assuming I've got the one... 10-22-2007, 11:35 AM

davem Honestly, I think it depends... 10-22-2007, 12:11 PM

Sir Kohran Let's face it - that's how... 10-22-2007, 02:00 PM

davem All I wanted was to be... 10-22-2007, 02:30 PM

Sir Kohran Tha's the difficulty. Heck, I... 10-22-2007, 03:01 PM

Sauron the White Like many things of this... 10-22-2007, 03:18 PM

davem My problem with the movies is... 10-22-2007, 04:01 PM

Sauron the White from davem That... 10-22-2007, 05:09 PM

Sir Kohran Maybe that's the case. I saw... 10-22-2007, 05:18 PM

Sauron the White For those who criticize the... 10-23-2007, 06:54 AM

davem The difference, as I've... 10-23-2007, 07:23 AM

Sauron the White Davem ... I do appreciate... 10-23-2007, 07:59 AM

William Cloud Hicklin No, actually; not of his own... 10-23-2007, 09:06 AM

Sauron the White WCH - and if PJ wanted that... 10-23-2007, 09:16 AM

William Cloud Hicklin Stuff and nonsense. The... 10-23-2007, 09:14 AM

Sir Kohran I had a big post that covered... 10-23-2007, 09:35 AM

William Cloud Hicklin I actually have little... 10-23-2007, 09:42 AM

davem Images are still more... 10-23-2007, 10:32 AM

Annatar The books contain violence.... 10-23-2007, 11:08 AM

Folwren I wonder if Tolkien would... 10-23-2007, 11:33 AM

Sir Kohran This sounds overly-sensitive.... 10-23-2007, 11:42 AM

Sauron the White Folwren asks an interesting... 10-23-2007, 11:51 AM

Folwren What, the music? :p In... 10-23-2007, 06:41 PM

Sauron the White Folwren... yes you are right.... 10-23-2007, 06:53 PM

William Cloud Hicklin You really think that the... 10-23-2007, 08:47 PM

Sauron the White Could you please provide some... 10-23-2007, 09:16 PM

Folwren I don't know. This is a... 10-24-2007, 08:07 AM

Meriadoc1961 Folwren wrote: "In all... 10-24-2007, 10:50 AM

davem Yes, he depicted in graphic... 10-24-2007, 01:45 AM

Essex very interesting debate. Just... 10-24-2007, 03:34 AM

davem When I was 17 I would have... 10-23-2007, 11:57 AM

William Cloud Hicklin Not Victorian; Mediaeval. ... 10-23-2007, 02:53 PM

Sauron the White That is certainly one very... 10-23-2007, 04:02 PM

Sir Kohran davem? Are you going to... 10-23-2007, 04:32 PM

William Cloud Hicklin To chime in in support of... 10-24-2007, 12:47 PM

Sauron the White WCW - I dearly love LAWRENCE... 10-24-2007, 01:00 PM

William Cloud Hicklin What does this have to do... 10-24-2007, 01:29 PM

Sauron the White WCH- thank you for that... 10-24-2007, 01:37 PM

William Cloud Hicklin Well, that could be said of... 10-24-2007, 01:51 PM

Sauron the White WCH - I think you greatly... 10-24-2007, 02:13 PM

davem Yes, but. That being the case... 10-24-2007, 02:57 PM

Sauron the White from davem Sounds like... 10-24-2007, 03:22 PM

davem One can criticise the quality... 10-24-2007, 03:32 PM

Sauron the White Good point. I believe the... 10-24-2007, 03:35 PM

davem I've yet to come across a... 10-24-2007, 03:44 PM

Sauron the White Allow me to add school... 10-24-2007, 05:25 PM

William Cloud Hicklin In fact he was both- Oxford... 10-24-2007, 08:03 PM

Kath In need of something to... 10-25-2007, 10:45 AM

Folwren Hear, Hear! (Really...I... 10-25-2007, 10:59 AM

Sauron the White Folwren may have nothing else... 10-25-2007, 01:04 PM

davem But the Ring is not 'the be... 10-25-2007, 01:49 PM

Folwren You seem to have nothing... 10-25-2007, 01:55 PM

Sauron the White Folwren. I am in total... 10-25-2007, 02:16 PM

William Cloud Hicklin Oh, no. No no no no no. This... 10-25-2007, 04:17 PM

Sauron the White Forget Shippey. I will read... 10-25-2007, 04:41 PM

davem The 'ring a dong dillo'/ 'fa... 10-26-2007, 02:41 AM

William Cloud Hicklin Then you're being wilfully... 10-26-2007, 08:31 AM

davem StW Have to agree with Mr... 10-26-2007, 09:09 AM

Sauron the White Did Faramir physically have... 10-26-2007, 09:45 AM

davem Sam had it on him & wasn't... 10-26-2007, 09:52 AM

Annatar The movies are not the books.... 10-26-2007, 10:09 AM

davem This is the kind of... 10-26-2007, 10:11 AM

Bêthberry Myself, on the other hand,... 10-26-2007, 10:30 AM

William Cloud Hicklin To which rather arrogant... 10-26-2007, 10:22 AM

William Cloud Hicklin Annatar: But the movies... 10-26-2007, 10:34 AM

William Cloud Hicklin What's yet more frighteneing... 10-26-2007, 10:52 AM

Sauron the White Is it fair to say that the... 10-26-2007, 11:03 AM

William Cloud Hicklin What the text itself says is... 10-26-2007, 11:26 AM

Sauron the White Bethberry... here are the... 10-26-2007, 11:29 AM

Bêthberry My good fellow Sauron the... 10-27-2007, 07:39 AM

Sauron the White If you wanted to see a... 10-27-2007, 07:45 AM

Bêthberry Sauron the White, it is an... 10-27-2007, 10:19 AM

William Cloud Hicklin Just informationally, folks:... 10-27-2007, 01:54 PM

davem The Ring corrupts if you take... 10-26-2007, 12:08 PM

Sauron the White Davem, thank you for your... 10-26-2007, 12:29 PM

davem Sam (in the book) rejected... 10-26-2007, 01:05 PM

Sauron the White Davem ... thank you for that... 10-26-2007, 01:40 PM

William Cloud Hicklin Yes, you're on the right... 10-26-2007, 03:06 PM

Sauron the White It sounds like you have... 10-26-2007, 03:48 PM

William Cloud Hicklin Yep- even Frodo, even Sam,... 10-26-2007, 03:59 PM

Folwren Look...STW...Bombadil was not... 10-26-2007, 04:00 PM

Essex And there's the rub. One of... 10-29-2007, 07:41 AM

davem Well, you have an increase in... 10-26-2007, 04:30 PM

Sauron the White Folwren ..... I do enjoy... 10-26-2007, 05:02 PM

Folwren Well...I took your comment... 10-26-2007, 07:44 PM

William Cloud Hicklin But a character doesn't have... 10-26-2007, 09:27 PM

Meriadoc1961 I am amazed how people can... 10-27-2007, 05:53 PM

Sauron the White Meriadoc ... you have... 10-27-2007, 08:10 PM

Bêthberry It might be pointed out that... 10-27-2007, 10:43 PM

Meriadoc1961 Sauron the /White, I do... 10-28-2007, 12:43 PM

Sauron the White Meriadoc... no problem and no... 10-28-2007, 03:22 PM

Bêthberry Wise of course than none of... 10-29-2007, 10:08 AM

Bêthberry . . . continuing on . . . ... 10-29-2007, 10:09 AM

William Cloud Hicklin Sure it can. One only has to... 10-29-2007, 10:53 AM

Sauron the White WilliamCH... I am in complete... 10-29-2007, 11:12 AM

Essex It wouldn't work in that... 10-29-2007, 02:31 PM

Aiwendil WCH wrote: This may be... 10-29-2007, 03:11 PM

William Cloud Hicklin Yes, but. There's nowhere... 10-29-2007, 11:14 PM

Gwathagor Hey Merry, totally with you... 10-30-2007, 09:45 AM

alatar Just some thoughts 10-31-2007, 12:09 PM

Morwen Was there a necklace? I... 10-31-2007, 12:24 PM

alatar Sorry; thanks. Jewelry... 10-31-2007, 12:34 PM

radagastly Originally posted by alatar:... 10-31-2007, 01:04 PM

Morwen I think the book is richer... 10-31-2007, 01:08 PM

Sauron the White Alatar.... the Steelers??? ... 10-31-2007, 02:16 PM

alatar No clue. I have to admit... 10-31-2007, 09:04 PM

Sauron the White Alatar .. here is the serious... 11-01-2007, 05:30 AM

Gwathagor I don't know about YOU, StW,... 11-01-2007, 07:13 AM

davem Yes, but you're assuming... 11-01-2007, 07:35 AM

alatar And your previous post... 11-01-2007, 09:35 AM

Bêthberry I can just imagine! If we go... 11-01-2007, 07:43 AM

Sauron the White Davem ... yes, I do... 11-01-2007, 08:37 AM

William Cloud Hicklin It's not because they were... 11-01-2007, 09:11 AM

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Sauron the White from WilliamCH Which... 11-01-2007, 09:45 AM

alatar Ignorance is bliss, someone... 11-01-2007, 09:51 AM

Sauron the White Alatar.... you post before my... 11-01-2007, 09:58 AM

alatar Why won't everyone just take... 11-01-2007, 10:39 AM

Sauron the White Alatar ... lets look at our... 11-01-2007, 10:45 AM

Raynor As people here are... 11-01-2007, 10:55 AM

alatar Yes, to the extent that we... 11-01-2007, 11:05 AM

Folwren I've figured STW out. I... 11-01-2007, 11:15 AM

Sauron the White 33.5 to be exact. Since... 11-01-2007, 11:19 AM

Folwren Well...perhaps I haven't... 11-01-2007, 11:30 AM

alatar So close to revelation...and... 11-01-2007, 11:36 AM

Quempel rrrrrrrrrrrrr..... this is... 11-01-2007, 11:45 AM

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10-23-2007, 02:53 PM

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William Cloud Hicklin

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The films could not afford to spend $300 million US dollars and attempt to recapture the Victorian Era complete with their stylizings and sensibilities.

Not Victorian; Mediaeval.

Although it is true that even the Victorians and Edwardians still recognized certain ancient virtues as virtues, unlike the ages of Modernism and Postmodernism: in Shippey's eloquent phrasing, "Tolkien was quite clearly... recommending virtues to which most moderns no longer dare aspire: stoicism, nonchalance, piety, fidelity."

PJ caved in to his audience's meaner aspirations and lowered horizons, and his films are the poorer for it.

*****

Incidentally, Peter Weir and his producers didn't shy away from spending millions to recapture the Nelsonian Era complete with its stylings and sensibilities.

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