Game Thread: TIG XCII - Disaster by the Lake

[Aganzir]

Gal - Nerwen
Kath - Inzil
Inzil - Nog
Greenie - Nog 2 (xed with Zil's vote)

Left: Agan, Bom, Kit, Lottie, Nog, Nerwen, Pitch, sally, Shasta

[Loslote]

I am not especially happy with Zil's vote, but I'm also not especially happy with the arguments against him earlier in the Day. Neither am I happy with Nog's case against me, which is not only based on a exageration of a misinterpretation of an early Day 1 comment, but I think it's also a bit silly if you think about it. I'm not convinced of the furriness of either of them, but they are currently my choices for lynchdom - probably Nog more than Zil, but I not sure if that's just me being grumpy.

Edit: Xed with Shasta's vote

[Aganzir]

If Lottie is a wolf, which would've been the most sensible/typical course for her: to keep going after Bom (and hopefully eventually get an innocent lynched, assuming he's one); or take the careful path and drop the suspicion so she wouldn't be suspected herself?

If Lottie is a wolf, how did Bom's "reveal" affect what she said of him?

Reading back trying to find an answer for these questions brought me to this:

Originally Posted by Greenie

Cobbler? He doesn't look any more cobblerish than usual. (Not taking into account, of course, that his occupation is "cobbler" - but I think we should forget that before somebody, somewhere, gets confused.) Seriously now, I don't think we can deduce much anything from Bom's posts this far since they have not, at least in my opinion, differed in any remarkable way of the way he plays whatever his role.

Why single out cobbler? Does she want to say, "No, see here, Bom is not the cobbler!!"
And Lottie's reply:

I don't think I've played with him enough yet - I didn't realize this was standard Bom. Never mind, then.

So how did it become about the cobbler? As I see it, Lottie originally also offered two other options! It looks like they're both reading too much into it: first Greenie grasps at a part of a sentence, then Lottie immediately backs off.
Weirdos.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

From the phone - I don't know what to make of Agan's little slip just now, in regards to.... Was it Lottie? It is so difficult to work on this thing. It had to do with Agan pointing out that someone looked Gifted, which is odd (the cobblery kind).

Lottie said behaving unusually is one of the clearest signs of being evil. It's not - it's one of the clearest signs of not being ordinary. That's why I don't automatically suspect everyone who is being unusual but rather wait till I've figured out more, and that's something Lottie totally overlooked. Might be she doesn't care if she lynches a gifted.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Lottie said behaving unusually is one of the clearest signs of being evil. It's not - it's one of the clearest signs of not being ordinary. That's why I don't automatically suspect everyone who is being unusual but rather wait till I've figured out more, and that's something Lottie totally overlooked. Might be she doesn't care if she lynches a gifted.

Fair enough, but in doing so you're indirectly saying "unusualness can mean giftedness" which, when taken together with Lottie saying Bom is acting unusually, looks to me like you're pointing out a possible gifted - which is something I can't see an innocent doing.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Fair enough, but in doing so you're indirectly saying "unusualness can mean giftedness" which, when taken together with Lottie saying Bom is acting unusually, looks to me like you're pointing out a possible gifted - which is something I can't see an innocent doing.

If that's the price I have to pay for pointing out others' suspicious behaviour, then so be it. And I doubt the wolves are going to attack Bom thinking he's a gifted just because he's "behaving unusually" - they need more than that. So basically what I said matters not.

Originally Posted by Pitch

Because I've said as much in my first post, and I don't have to repeat everything I say all over, do I?

In this case I'd say it would've been appropriate because otherwise you're just throwing random suspicion towards the unfortunate people who happened to be around at the beginning.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Loslote

To look like the cobbler, which I actually said in my first post about him.

And risk getting dreamed? Nah. And if I was a gifted I'd totally try to attract the seer's attention and then find a way to exchange information and then do something awesome... so again, it isn't that simple.

Gal - Nerwen
Kath - Inzil
Inzil - Nog
Greenie - Nog 2 (xed with Zil's vote)
Shasta - Inzil 2

Left: Agan, Bom, Kit, Lottie, Nog, Nerwen, Pitch, sally

[Aganzir]

Gal - Nerwen
Kath - Inzil
Inzil - Nog
Greenie - Nog 2 (xed with Zil's vote)
Shasta - Inzil 2
Pitch - Zil 3
Lottie - Nog 3

Left: Bom, Kit, Nog, Nerwen, sally

[Nogrod]

What was the rule on tied voting btw.?

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

What was the rule on tied voting btw.?

Tied vote. The person who reached the tie LAST will be lynched.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

What was the rule on tied voting btw.?

Last person to get the tying vote dies, I believe.

[satansaloser2005]

There once was a wee lass named Sally
Who found herself too tired to rally
A response to the thread
Far too full of regret
From the loss of sweet Boro, her ally



(Aka I'm too tired to post tonight. I'll be around a bit tomorrow, but the bulk of my posting will be in the last three hours or so of the Day. Please be patient. Thanks!)


*Note: Regret here having the meaning of sorrow, not guilt. I'll not wake up in the morning to people taking this post as some sort of admission or something.

[Aganzir]

Here and how dare you kill my wife? This means war!

I am torn about Nogrod. He started in his usual way and I thought him innocent, and I have stubbornly refused to suspect him since just because so many others did. In my opinion, he's often surprisingly illogical for a philosophy teacher but that doesn't necessarily make him a wolf. Or then it does and I'm just so used to it that I keep ignoring it. Whatever.

Originally Posted by Gal

What’s up with your wolf-packs?

I told you. There are two.

I feel worse about Greenie after reading Kit's analysis. I don't exactly remember what I thought of her yesterday (apart from something like "she never sits right with me what should I do with her"), but now I get this feeling she was trying to corner Nog because she knows how stubbornly he can defend a point - which often makes him look bad in the end.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

And her bread ruined! From this Day forth, the village will be forced to depend on the inferior wares of so-called "cook" (and noted backstabber) Galadriel55.

Excuse me? As if I couldn't bake bread just as well as my beloved late wife!

Originally Posted by Nog

if two busy people are the most active what does it tell about the others?

Dear Nog, you know it tells more about us than them. Not everyone is an obsessive no-life loudmouth.

Originally Posted by Greenie

Of Lottie's two other options, one was "wolf impersonating cobbler" - so I felt obliged to point out that Bom always looks like the cobbler anyway. Makes sense?

Kind of, but it still seems like reading too much. It's a very pre-emptive defence against a minor point which almost puts me in mind of a Greenie/Bom team.

[Aganzir]

Kit - Green
Green - Nog
Lottie - Agan
Nog - Agan 2

Left: Agan, Bom, Gal, Nerwen, Pitch, sally, Shasta

[Loslote]

++Nog

Because I don't think his arguments have been very strong at all toDay, I think most of them have faulty reasoning which leads to faulty conclusions, and because I do not like having poor arguments used to make me look suspicious. To be perfectly fair, I'm not sure how much of this is my own bias, but I do honestly think he's acting suspicious as well.

EDIT: xed with everything since before Pitch's vote

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Loslote

++Nog

Because I don't think his arguments have been very strong at all toDay

Show me a strong argument from this Day1...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

If that's the price I have to pay for pointing out others' suspicious behaviour, then so be it. And I doubt the wolves are going to attack Bom thinking he's a gifted just because he's "behaving unusually" - they need more than that. So basically what I said matters not.


In this case I'd say it would've been appropriate because otherwise you're just throwing random suspicion towards the unfortunate people who happened to be around at the beginning.

I don't see how you can say possibly pointing out a gifted to the wolves "matters not" based on how you think the wolves are going to act. I also don't see what's so suspicious about saying you think someone's behavior merits suspicion, which is really all I got out of Lottie's post. Whereas your post basically says "I think Bom is gifted" which is almost always a bad thing to mention.

[Pitchwife]

Time for me to count my metaphoric sheep.

I'm actually quite inclined to vote Nog, but I haven't yet digested the recent discussion about him wholly, and I'd rather not do it in the heat of the moment. So I'll stick with my earlier suspicion:

++Zil

Forgetting about G55's vote sounds almost unbelievable enough to be true, but it still smells of retconning, and I'm not happy with his pounce on Nerwen in the first place. Let's find out.

[Bom Tombadillo]

ARGH no time. Everybody's posting at DL. ++Inzil it is.

EDIT: Apparently not strictly at DL. I somehow managed to completely miss several minutes of posts! How'd that happen?