Sauron's lack of Death... - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Blind Guardian · 05-06-2010, 10:34 PM

Interesting. Common sense is screaming at me that you can't destroy the sun and the moon and that the world isn't flat. I need to read the Silmarillion. Might I ask how Morgoth destroyed the sun and moon?

PS Every LotR word is in this Mac's dictionary O_O

Hookbill the Goomba · 05-07-2010, 03:09 AM

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Interesting. Common sense is screaming at me that you can't destroy the sun and the moon and that the world isn't flat. I need to read the Silmarillion. Might I ask how Morgoth destroyed the sun and moon?

He didn't.
Not that he didn't desire it. There's a line in Silm about Arien being out of reach.

Middle Earth was a flat world according to the mythology. There was a great battle and an upheaval and lots of general unpleasantness and the earth was eventually 'bent' so that if one wished to go West, they would end up in the East.

Remember, Middle Earth is a mythology.

Now, on the topic of Sauron's lack of death...

I think what is striking about the difference between Morgoth and Sauron is that Morgoth is thrust from the world into a sort of 'hell' - the void. His direct influence is removed from Middle Earth. Yet, 'seeds' of his malice remain. Perhaps Sauron was one such seed.
Moreover, one must remember that all evil was not to be destroyed until the final battle. If this was part of Eru's grand plan, or the doom set in motion, perhaps, by the discord in the music, then it may be that that is why Sauron is not utterly removed from the world. He is neutralised and made to watch the world without influencing it. (Morgoth can't even watch, poor bloke). So, if there is this grand plan idea (not unthinkable if Tolkien took certain theistic views), some 'doom' for all evil, perhaps it's almost as if Sauron has been put into storage. Kept to wait for the end. A little, perhaps, like Loki, being chained until Ragnarok?

Blind Guardian · 05-09-2010, 01:28 PM

Yeah, you'd burn up once you got in to the atmosphere!

Something else I was thinking: when the Nazgûl fell off the Fell Beast or got stabbed by a sword, did it hurt? They did fall so many stories, and the Witch-King did get stabbed by Eowyn (ouch!) but didn't move, just let her stab him. I'm thinking that it must not hurt it's just annoying. What do you think?

Hookbill the Goomba · 05-09-2010, 01:32 PM

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Something else I was thinking: when the Nazgûl fell off the Fell Beast or got stabbed by a sword, did it hurt? They did fall so many stories, and the Witch-King did get stabbed by Eowyn (ouch!) but didn't move, just let her stab him. I'm thinking that it must not hurt it's just annoying. What do you think?

Not the topic of discussion. Start a new thread for that, though.

Blind Guardian · 05-09-2010, 02:57 PM

OK, sorry.

alatar · 05-09-2010, 07:40 PM

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I think what is striking about the difference between Morgoth and Sauron is that Morgoth is thrust from the world into a sort of 'hell' - the void. His direct influence is removed from Middle Earth. Yet, 'seeds' of his malice remain. Perhaps Sauron was one such seed.

Melkor was the first dandelion, me thinks.

Lastande Took · 05-15-2010, 03:10 PM

I'm not nearly as familiar with ME mythology as the rest of you seem to be (

), so I'll keep it short. I think putting Sauron in 'storage' was the closest they could get to actually kiling him. He had put so much of himself into the Ring that when it was destroyed, he lost too much power to 'rebuild' a new body, much less his realm.

Pitchwife · 05-15-2010, 04:18 PM

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I'm not nearly as familiar with ME mythology as the rest of you seem to be (

)

Don't worry, that's going to change soon enough if you hang around here for a while! Speaking for myself, I've learnt a lot of what I know about ME on this forum, both as a lurker and as an active member, and I think we're all still learning from each other all the time. Welcome, and I hope you'll enjoy yourself in our black-green wraith-world!

Lastande Took · 05-15-2010, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Don't worry, that's going to change soon enough if you hang around here for a while! Speaking for myself, I've learnt a lot of what I know about ME on this forum, both as a lurker and as an active member, and I think we're all still learning from each other all the time. Welcome, and I hope you'll enjoy yourself in our black-green wraith-world!

Thanks for the welcome!

05-15-2010, 03:10 PM	#7
Lastande Took Animated Skeleton Join Date: May 2010 Location: The Old Forest of Virginia Posts: 44	I'm not nearly as familiar with ME mythology as the rest of you seem to be ( ), so I'll keep it short. I think putting Sauron in 'storage' was the closest they could get to actually kiling him. He had put so much of himself into the Ring that when it was destroyed, he lost too much power to 'rebuild' a new body, much less his realm. __________________ Tom-fool of a Took! Holmesian.net, the official unofficial home for Sherlock Holmes fanatics.