Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLIX - At the Source of Darkness

[Brinniel]

Greenie as a cobbler...well it's a bit of a surprise, but I'm quite relieved...especially that it was the wolves who killed her, which therefore has kept our numbers up. I was worried we would start out toDay with half of us being evil, but luckily that's not the case...but I'm still definitely worried that we haven't yet lynched a wolf, and it's really important that we get this right toDay.

Originally Posted by Durelin

Basically the only way I can try and convince of my innocence that I've thought of is this: if I was actually a wolf, why would I have bothered going after Nogrod so much, especially once it started drawing a great deal of attention to me? But if I was actually a cobbler (I'm going to sound like phantom here), there's a good possibility the cobbler assassin chose me last night or even earlier, if they chose someone that people have been mentioned 'looks like a cobbler'. And I'm not dead. Rather wish the wolves had been nice and taken me out last night, but it's better that they killed another one of their cobblers.

Yeah, I was thinking something similar to that. I seriously half expected to come here toDay and find you had been killed by the assassin...but that's not the case. But I still won't eliminate the possibility that you could be a cobbler...after all, Formy wasn't killed right away. As for being a wolf...I'm pretty torn. It does seem rather bold for a wolf to so strongly attack an ordo. Usually wolves aren't so clear in their suspicions...but not always, as I can recall it's happened before. And of course, it would be easy for a wolf to use the "I wouldn't do that" excuse and play the "sorry I'm such a misguided ordo" card. But is that something Durelin would do? I don't know.

Conclusion: While we should definitely not spend our entire Day focusing on Durelin, we shouldn't eliminate her from being a possible wolf either.

Originally Posted by phantom

Shasta has made 42 posts. More than every one of you.

During those 42 posts he has not given ONE single opinion about ANY of you.

That has got to be the most suspicious thing I've ever seen. How can you have the second most posts of any living player and totally avoid giving opinions?

I've sort of accepted that it's just his style...though a more recent style. Ever since the DW game, Shasta has made hordes of short, chatty posts and in the previous two games he was not a wolf. Of course, that doesn't mean he can't be a wolf this time around...but I wouldn't base suspicions simply on the way he's posting. However, I do agree that I would like to see Shasta share some more opinions about other players.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Phantom

That has got to be the most suspicious thing I've ever seen. How can you have the second most posts of any living player and totally avoid giving opinions?

By mimicking you. I can't remember (though I've slept since then and this is not meant to be a snarky remark; when I snark, you'll know it!) the last time you gave a clear, concise opinion on anything. Your style is more "gather what everyone else thinks and make vague statements about your thoughts".

And Brinn: Well, I have a little bit of time right now. I suppose your wish is my command, .

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Well, then I must've been super darn evil last time when I was the Good Wizard.

Well at least you admit to being controlling.

What Shasta thinks:

Phantom has graduated from Cobbler to Wolf.

Kath seems off to me... I'm not sure I'd lycanize her, but she could easily be a shoemaker.

Dury's pre-defense today strikes me as odd. I'd be more suspicious of her if I didn't think her battle with Nog yesterday looked very ordo vs. ordo.

Brinn seems fine to me, I don't really see anything wrong with her.

Nerwen: See Brinn. She's higher than Brinn on my suspicion list, but that is a pure gut feeling based on nothing at all. *shrug*

Lommy - Is she still alive? It took me a moment to remember to add her here... which means she's under my radar, at least.

And anyone else I haven't mentioned is VERY under my radar if I don't even remember that they're playing.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I suppose that would be Eonwe.

Hmm.

Ping, ping, ping.

That's my radar, folks. Gut feeling at the moment is that he's bad, but I have nothing to back it up at this point in time.

My list for lynching priority is probably, from top to bottom:

1. Phantom
2. Kath
3. Eonwe
4. Durelin
5. Lommy
6. Nerwen
7. Brinniel

[the phantom]

So, it seems that pretty much everyone was surprised that Green was a Cobbler. I tend to agree.

She sure didn't seem like someone with a deathwish. But rather she was flying under the radar and I guess hoping she'd make it to the end for the glorious self-vote-clinch.

So, any theories on why the WWs bumped off Green? I'm going to look through her posts from yesterday here in a minute.

[Nerwen]

Shasta, how did Eönwë jump to third place in your lynch list? In your previous post you'd forgotten he was playing!

EDIT: X'd with tp.

[the phantom]

Ah, so finally on the fifth day of this thing, after being criticized for it, Shasta has finally acknowledged that there are other villagers living here.

Originally Posted by Brin

I've sort of accepted that it's just his style.

So it's his typical thing to go several days pretending that most everyone doesn't exist? That seems tough to swallow. I mean- when someone never talks to you, gives an opinion on you, or even mentions you, it's easy for them to stay off of your radar. It's way too fishy for my liking.

Originally Posted by Shasta

Well at least you admit to being controlling.

Yes, I do admit to it. I make suggestions as to how things should be played and I recommend certain courses of action. That's what I do. It's proven extremely useful to multiple villages in the past, so you'll just have to deal with it.

But in this village I can't help but think that I haven't been quite as useful due to me having to waste my time with you. I so very much would like to lynch you for it, and yet I can't help but think that is exactly what you want- to buy the WWs a free pass.

But of course if I let you off the hook assuming you're a Cobbler and you turn out to be a WW and win the game, my head will literally explode.

I'm reading over some of your posts and you are just hysterical.

Originally Posted by Shasta

We all saw last game how dangerous it can be to narrow our focus on one person

Originally Posted by Shasta

by pulling all attention, all the time, to himself, he's letting the wolves slide by quite nicely

You are just a riot, man. You accuse me of hogging the attention and focus, when it has been completely you and only you who has been totally fixated on me day after day and completely ignoring everyone else in the village.

And I love how you admit that you have absolutely nothing to back up your accusations.

No, no- I do not think Shasta is a friend. Not by a long shot.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Well, I don't see anyone else challenging you. At all. I love how you're criticizing me for focusing on you when as you've said I'm the only one who is. If you win this game as a wolf, my head will explode.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

In fact, Phantom, you're a lot more jumpy today than usual. Feeling the strain of having accidentally hit another Cobbler, leaving you with one?

[Nerwen]

It would be funny if these two were our wolves, wouldn't it?

[the phantom]

I'm not criticizing you for the attention you've given to me, I'm criticizing your, in my mind, rather suspicious methods. If you'll look back at yesterday you will see that I didn't mind Kath's attack on me at all, because of the way in which she did it, and because it appeared to me that she actually took the time to read and think about my response.

And no, I'm not jumpy. Merely annoyed and convinced. If you want to see me jumpy then you'll have to go read WW III.

And there is no danger of your head exploding, Shasta. Though I suspect that you already know that.

Originally Posted by Ner

It would be funny if these two were our wolves, wouldn't it?

Gah! She's onto us. Run!

[the phantom]

Well, since there's not much going on now I might as well head off to bed and look for some action in the morning.

*yawn*

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by the phantom

I'm not criticizing you for the attention you've given to me, I'm criticizing your, in my mind, rather suspicious methods. If you'll look back at yesterday you will see that I didn't mind Kath's attack on me at all, because of the way in which she did it, and because it appeared to me that she actually took the time to read and think about my response.

And no, I'm not jumpy. Merely annoyed and convinced. If you want to see me jumpy then you'll have to go read WW III.

And there is no danger of your head exploding, Shasta. Though I suspect that you already know that.

Gah! She's onto us. Run!

So.... you're convinced that I'm evil and I'm convinced that you're evil.

How exactly is this different from... Day 2?

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

It would be funny if these two were our wolves, wouldn't it?

Hey...you stole the words right from my mouth.

[Brinniel]

Eönwë - While I've been thinking he seems pretty innocent, I'm starting to get a bit worried for the mere fact that the wolves haven't killed him yet. I mean, a lot of players have disregarded him...so why wouldn't they pick him? To confuse us? Or maybe he is a wolf...

Nerwen - She feels pretty innocent to me, but the problem is she keeps slipping under my radar. Perhaps I should look at her more closely.

Kath - I thought she seemed cobblerish, but that possibilty was discussed Days ago and she hasn't been killed by the assassin...so perhaps she's just innocent. I still feel doubtful that she's a wolf, but I don't want to eliminate the possibility in case I'm wrong.

Durelin - Cobbler or wolf? Innocent or evil? I don't know...she's confusing me. But I don't like the apologetic tone she's had recently.

the phantom - I think I can eliminate the possibility that he's a cobbler as I really think the assassin would've targeted him by now. But is he a wolf? I think I mentioned before that tp is one of few capable of being a bold wolf and successfully get away with it. The problem is he's such a mystery and if innocent, the wolves will keep him alive as long as possible because he baffles us so. But of course, I don't want to lynch tp just because he's a big mystery, that'd be silly. I just need to get a better read on him.

Shastanis Althreduin - Still a question mark to me, but I still don't see anything overly suspicious. But what if he and tp were wolves? Like I said, Nerwen completely read my mind. Actually, the thought came up when tp said he wouldn't bother voting Shasta because he thinks him a cobbler...easy excuse for a wolf. But would a Shasta-wolf so boldly attack his fellow wolf? Not so sure about that...unless tp instructed him to (and we all know how bossy he can be ). Hmm...it's a possibility, but not something I'm willing to bet my money on...

Thinlómien - Keeps sliding under my radar. Seriously. Every Day I keep worrying that she looks a bit furry, but then when the final moments come I always toss her aside and look at other candidates. So perhaps I need to watch her more closely.

So there it is. Basically everyone is just a big question mark to me. Though I think that's partly because the stakes are now high and I don't want to eliminate anyone in case they might be a wolf.

Btw, I suggest we vote a bit earlier toDay. That doesn't mean it has to be super early, but perhaps this time everyone should vote before the actual deadline..

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Shasta has made 42 posts. More than every one of you.
During those 42 posts he has not given ONE single opinion about ANY of you.
That has got to be the most suspicious thing I've ever seen. How can you have the second most posts of any living player and totally avoid giving opinions?

I kind of noticed that, but didn't pay attention to it until now. I think it indeed is rather suspicious, but I'm not sure if it's wolvish. More cobblerish, maybe. Shasta would be a very bold wolf to play like that... but a smart one, clearly.

Originally Posted by Kath

This new way of playing is fun but it's not actuall doing anyone any good so maybe I'll go back to the old way for a Day and try to be of some real help.

The way Kath makes a "show" of her new playing style makes me wonder... looks like someone not innocent throwing excuses around...

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Excuse me... "We"? Look who's killed most of the cobblers!

Oh, hilarious, maybe we should be grateful to the wolves for eliminating cobblers? See, wolves, unlike normally, we actually like you because you have killed two cobblers for us.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Or– as I said on Day One– let's just go for people who look suspicious. We don't seem to be very good at telling wolves from cobblers in this game anyway.

Yeah... and after all this stuff I wouldn't be surprised to find wolves who are trying to look like cobblers and cobblers who are trying to look like wolves... So maybe we indeed should just concentrate on suspicious people in general...

Originally Posted by Brinn

As for being a wolf...I'm pretty torn. It does seem rather bold for a wolf to so strongly attack an ordo. Usually wolves aren't so clear in their suspicions...but not always, as I can recall it's happened before. And of course, it would be easy for a wolf to use the "I wouldn't do that" excuse and play the "sorry I'm such a misguided ordo" card. But is that something Durelin would do? I don't know.

I think she is well capable of that.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

It would be funny if these two were our wolves, wouldn't it?

I could picture that... and I'd be really banging my head against the wall or something.

Originally Posted by Brinn

Eönwë - While I've been thinking he seems pretty innocent, I'm starting to get a bit worried for the mere fact that the wolves haven't killed him yet. I mean, a lot of players have disregarded him...so why wouldn't they pick him? To confuse us? Or maybe he is a wolf...

Too true... and he has managed to slip under the radar rather marvellously as well...

By the way, I find it hilarious that a couple of people have said I've slipped under their radar. That really doesn't happen often. Should I be glad now?

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Btw, I suggest we vote a bit earlier toDay. That doesn't mean it has to be super early, but perhaps this time everyone should vote before the actual deadline..

Agreed...

[Eönwë]

Ok, here's my world-famous (well, I might be slightly exaggerating) Eönwë-table, with a bit of Noggishness (the underlining):



Day 1:

Lommy: Nogrod [ordo] (1)
Shasta: Kitanna [ordo] (1)
Gwath [seer]: Kitanna [ordo] (2)
Greenie [cobbler]: Gwath [seer] (1)
Durelin: Gwath [seer](2)
Mith [cobbler]: Kitanna [ordo] (3)
Nilp [ordo]: Kitanna [ordo] (4)
Lalaith [ordo]: Ye phantome (1)
Nogrod [ordo]: Groin [ordo] (1)
Brinn: Greenie [cobbler](1)
*Nerwen: Kitanna [ordo] (5)
*+Ye phantome: Lalaith [ordo] (1)
*Eönwë: Greenie [cobbler] (2)

Lynched: Kitanna [ordo]

Night 2:

Killed: Lalaith [ordo]
Assassinated: -

Day 2:

Shasta: Ye phantome (1)
Form [cobbler]: Ye phantome (2)
Fea [ordo]: Shasta (1)
Nilp [ordo]: Gwath [seer] (1)
Kath: Lommy (1)
Durelin: Nogrod [ordo] (1)
Eönwë: Gwath [seer] (2)
Greenie [cobbler]: Gwath [seer] (3) <2>
Mith [cobbler]: Lommy (2)
Ye phantome: Gwath [seer](4)
Brinn: Durelin (1)
Nerwen: Lommy (3)
(+?)Nogrod [ordo]: Durelin (2)

Lynched: Gwath [seer]

Night 3:

Killed: Mith [cobbler]
Assassinated: -

Day 3:
Greenie [cobbler]: Form [cobbler] (1)
Durelin: Fea [ordo] (1)
Brinn: Fea [ordo] (2)
Shasta: Form [cobbler] (2)
Lommy: Fea [ordo] (3)
Nogrod [ordo]: Fea [ordo] (4)
Ye phantome: Form [cobbler] (3)

Night 4:

Killed: Nilp [ordo]
Assassinated: Form [cobbler]

Day 4:

Shasta: Ye phantome <2>
Durelin: Nogrod [ordo] <2>
Kath: Nogrod [ordo] (2)
Greenie [cobbler]: Shasta
Brinn: Durelin <2>
Eönwë: Nogrod [ordo] (3)
*Nogrod[ordo]: Durelin (2) <2>
*Lommy: Nogrod [ordo] (4) <2>
*Ye phantome: Durelin (3)

Night 5:

Killed: Greenie [cobbler]
Assassinated: -




*= vote didn't count
+= thought/ knew vote didn't count
()= total votes for person that day so far
<>= total votes for person from an individual so far
[]= known status/ postion e.g. ordo

[Nerwen]

Thanks, Eönwë!

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Yeah... and after all this stuff I wouldn't be surprised to find wolves who are trying to look like cobblers and cobblers who are trying to look like wolves...

Don't forget gifteds trying to look like cobblers and/or wolves. I suppose that's what did for Gwath... However, even if we end up getting the assassin by accident, we've still got the wolves to kill cobblers for us.

I did like the latest narration:

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Lily was overjoyed: You are doing so great! I always wanted to actually meet one of you, and now I'm here with you both, and you're even planning to kill me!

Oh, not again...

[Nerwen]

A Little Green's last words.

Day 4.

#454. Explains why she hadn't posted earlier. Says the Nog-Dury affair is weird. Says she would rather think about possible wolves, one of whom she is sure is keeping a low profile Says most of the votes on the previous Day could have been evil.

#456. Makes a list:

The villagers.

Shasta - I still don't have a read on him. His theories do seem quite far-fetched but I don't know whether it's to be read as wolvery or cobblery or innocence.
Eönwë - I think he might well be an under-the-radar wolf. Then again, I can't be sure of him since I remember very little of what he has said. I should have a look at him and will if I have the time.
Nerwen - I still categorise her as innocentish because she seems as much.
Kath - The consensus seems to be that she's a cobbler. I think she isn't. I think the cobbler assassin might have checked her the night people expected him/her to take Form. Or am I mixing the days up? I'm really too lazy and tired to check...
Dury - Feels innocent, though not as much as before. She might be a cobbler, but I don't think she is a wolf.
Brinn - Under my reindeer, my first impression is a vague "she usually makes sense". Should have a look on her, though..
Nog - He could be anything. No idea.
Greenie - Me!! (Woo hoo.) I'm no wolf. Nor a cobbler, for that matter. Definitely not.
the phantom - YesterDay I was pretty sure he was just a bored innocent. ToDay I have the feeling that he might well be a wolf...
Lommy - I never suspect her. Never. My gut says once again that she is innocent but maybe I should check her. Gah. Too lazy.

So who, then, could be the wolves? Eönwë and phantom? Or maybe cuddly little Lommy? Brinn? Nog? Shasta? I'm too confused. Don't know...

#463. Says Phantom-Shasta debate is silly. Says Shasta's reasoning is weird, but so is the phantom's.

#461. Says she's too tried to make an analysis.

#470. Says we shouldn't concentrate on Nogrod and Durelin so much. Thinks Brinn's last post (#468, making points against Durelin) sounds a bit wolvish.

#474. Says Nogrod's last post sounded "very wolvish". (#471, where he says he has "a bad feeling" that the people who had already voted against him– Durelin and Kath– were evil.)

#475. Votes Shasta!! Explains the surprise vote as being because Shasta is "under the radar" (????) That's such a strange comment I can't understand how none of us picked it up. (Ah, 20-20 hindsight!)

Comments: tries hard to play down both the phantom-Shasta brawl, and the Nogrod-Durelin one, and looks for an alternative lynching candidate. Clearly, she thought she had allies among the combatants. It looks as if Durelin was her guess for the most likely wolf/cobbler and Shasta the least... although just before voting she thought it was Nogrod... I suppose she looked at the case she'd made against him, realised she might be right, and panicked.

She didn't go after anyone strongly or consistantly, so I think it's unlikely she was killed for being dangerous, or to frame anyone.

EDIT: fixed bolding.

[Nerwen]

No-one around?

Well, I have to vote early, so–

++SHASTA.

He's more likely a cobbler than a wolf, but still...

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

unless tp instructed him to (and we all know how bossy he can be

I don't think Shasta would take to that...

Alright, I'm tired and grumpy and my roommate's incessant humming is driving me crazy and I have to leave for class in about an hour. Sooooo, no more apologizing and probably no inspired arguments from me.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I am just saying... our lynching record is nothing to get complacent about, to say the least.

I'm getting rather fed up with these sorts of comments from Nerwen...

I actually am finding Nerwen and Brinniel the most suspicious right now because they seem the least caught up in the insanity, which could be from having a better idea what's going on and having a particular purpose.

Lommy could fit that, too, but for some reason I just can't feel like she's evil. Yergh.

Maybe I should just vote for Shasta...but he amuses me...

I don't know why I'm not suspicious of Kath anymore. Don't know why I'm not suspicious of the phantom. And Eonwe's just... *shrug*

Yep, best I got. Oh well. Though I'm feeling more my usual self now - was feeling more emotionally connected with the game than usual for a bit there.

[Durelin]

++Brinniel

She just seems to have been in such a good position all game, voting-wise and everything... *shrugs* Really need to run.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Brin

Actually, the thought came up when tp said he wouldn't bother voting Shasta because he thinks him a cobbler...easy excuse for a wolf. But would a Shasta-wolf so boldly attack his fellow wolf?

Gah, don't say that Brin. It makes me feel like you're trying to get me to run ahead and vote Shasta, because if I don't then of course we are the two WWs doing a bold ploy. It's sort of similar to something I did back in the day to Ang- goading him into his vote.

Sorry, I know I probably shouldn't suspect you for it, but I'm starting to get paranoid. I figure the reason why I'm alive is because the WWs think I'll be useful, which makes me rather ticked. So I feel I should suspect the people I haven't been suspecting. Or perhaps that is what they're counting on and so I should continue on as I have. Or perhaps they just feel I'm lynchable. Gah!

Originally Posted by Dur

I'm getting rather fed up with these sorts of comments from Nerwen...

You mean like the other day "Let's try and lynch a baddie" or something like that? Yeah, I know what you mean. Does anyone know if Nerwen regularly makes comments like that?

Originally Posted by Nerwen

He's more likely a cobbler than a wolf, but still...

See, and that is why I'm so reluctant to vote for him. If he turns out to be the Cobbler and I vote to lynch him, then guess what- he wins! He got what he wanted.

[Thinlómien]

Reread - comments about previous Days

- phantom -

Oh, who am I kidding? I'm just here for adventure and loot.

A cobbler hint?

- Durelin -

Don't trust me to discern the good from the bad, I'm only used to working with really dead people and their stuff.

A cobbler hint?

- Eönwë has been concentrating at the number of posts from the very beginning. I find that weird. In truth, I find it c-o-b-b-l-e-r-i-s-h, fo a change. * at self*

- Eönwë's flip-flopping about the Kitanna-lynch looks like indecisive wolvishness...

- Shasta looks suspicious to me because he was so happy to lynch Kit. I still think it was a very stupid and a very suspicious idea.

- The way tp muses about Groin not getting killed on Night2 sounds innocent.

- Something funny in Nerwen's and tp's exchanges on Day2, they look slightly fellowish.

- I don't know what to make of Eönwë's ubiquitous vote tables. They make me feel he's trying to look more helpful than he actually is, which is slightly eyebrow-raising...

- Durelin looks pretty innocent, after all. Or maybe she's a cobbler. But she doesn't look very wolvish...

- Brinn could really be anything. Anything. *sigh*

- Phantom looks rather innocent because of #295. Would he make up an imaginary ploy he pretends to believe in? It's a bit too complicated, but one has to remember it's tp who's in question now...

- I'm wondering if tp has realised he sometimes annoys people with his arrogance and has thus lessened it a little (wouldn't be that characteristic of him, would it?), or whether it's indeed so that he has been trying to be nice to people because he's a wolf...? Argh. He's smoothness/niceness does make me suspect him.

- Kath looks cobblerish, could be an under-the-radar wolf but feels occasionally really sincere.

- Eönwë's statements like:

And by the way, phantom, just so you know- I don't suspect you, it was just an idea.

make me raise my eyebrows. Looks like a newbieish wolf.

- Nerwen sounds sincere enough.

- Somehow, Kath's vote for Nogrod yesterDay looks quite fishy, or I get a fishy feeling of it.


That's it, sorry for the messiness but I was taking notes as I read and can't think of a smart way of rearranging it... In total:

innocentish
Durelin
Nerwen

in the middle
Kath
Brinniel

suspicious-ish
Shasta
the phantom
Eönwë


BUT. I could really vote anyone. I don't know, I just have the feeling that I need some extra evidence before I can vote, and I'm waiting for it. Because I'm really actually suspecting everyone in a way or another. (I'm not sure if the reread was a good idea... )

[the phantom]

Ah, it's glad to see that somebody else did a reread and gained nothing from it.

Originally Posted by Lommy

I'm wondering if tp has realised he sometimes annoys people with his arrogance and has thus lessened it a little (wouldn't be that characteristic of him, would it?), or whether it's indeed so that he has been trying to be nice to people because he's a wolf...? Argh. He's smoothness/niceness does make me suspect him.

The problem is you are comparing my behavior to my last game.

I was the Good Wizard in the last game.

I was invincible.

Because of that I was less nice and such to people. I had it in my plans that game that I might purposefully get myself lynched in order to preserve population in the early stages seeing as I felt no need to hide my identity for very long.

I was on a major power trip and was giddy with the idea that I could say and do anything I wanted and nobody could do anything about it. You tend to act much differently when you are unkillable.

[Thinlómien]

While I get your point about you being the GW last game, I still think you've been a bit nicer than you usually are... (And even though there's a smiley, I'm serious. It could be of course that I'm imagining things, but I think you tend to be nastier and even slightly more arrogant. Also, you've been treating us others - or at least some of us *coughShastacough* - like a patient big brother would treat a silly younger sibling. While that attitude is not suspicious per se, it would be a very nice cover for a wolf. Or a cobbler.)

Originally Posted by tp

Ah, it's glad to see that somebody else did a reread and gained nothing from it.

Oh, thank you.

[the phantom]

but I think you tend to be nastier and even slightly more arrogant

Well, thanks a lot. You've made me feel really great.

But seriously, I still think you have my previous game too much in mind. I haven't been an Ordo for over a year. And my last game before that was in 2006. Unless you are remembering all the way back to WW IV where I was an "arrogant healer" and played rather in character.

you've been treating us others - or at least some of us *coughShastacough* - like a patient big brother would treat a silly younger sibling

Yes, because there have been times where I've started thinking that perhaps the entire reason the two of us have been kept alive is so that we'll turn this thing into a two-horse race where neither is a WW.

And I wouldn't know about the sibling thing. Only child.

And speaking of siblings, have you ever had an argument with your sister? Gotten angry with her? So angry that maybe you wanted to hurt her? Kill her, perhaps?

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by phantom

Sorry, I know I probably shouldn't suspect you for it, but I'm starting to get paranoid. I figure the reason why I'm alive is because the WWs think I'll be useful, which makes me rather ticked. So I feel I should suspect the people I haven't been suspecting. Or perhaps that is what they're counting on and so I should continue on as I have. Or perhaps they just feel I'm lynchable. Gah!

Well like I said, I think you're still alive to leave the rest of us baffled. You're not the type to slip under the radar...and if the wolves killed you, it'd be like answering a big mystery for us. That is, if you're not a wolf yourself. Anyways, I'm paranoid too. The minute I start to feel comfortable with what someone says, I take a big step backwards...because at this stage of the game, I don't think I can trust anyone.

Btw, here's something to consider: If one of our wolves happen to be a less active player or not so consistent with voting...like Kath, Eonwe, and Nerwen....then I think there's a good chance the second wolf would be a more active player. Because even with all the cobblers around, surely at least one wolf would want to have influence on the voting. Just a thought.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by phantom

And I wouldn't know about the sibling thing. Only child.

Ah, well that explains everything.

[Kath]

I'm very sorry, I intended to be around for much more of the Day but it ran away from me and now I have to go fetch my sister from karate in about 10 minutes and will therefore miss the deadline.

But, now, I'm going to concentrate here and try to really work out what I'm feeling about each person. Not based on specific quotes or anything but just what I've got from seeing their posts as I read through.

Shasta - well I can sort of see phantom's point about him not really ... being there I suppose. I mean there are plenty of posts but not much if the way of things that drag him into the limelight, at least apart from his battle with phantom. However, the fact that he is at least consistent with that suspicion makes me feel more secure with him. Or at least it would if that wasn't a trick I've employed on more than one occasion.

Eonwe - I just don't know. I can't, it's like, I mean I have paid attention to him and I've read his posts and on occasion I've thought 'hmm, good point' but he's a master at flying under the radar.

Nerwen - the fact that I have little opinion on her is what worries me the most here. Nerwen quiet? I don't believe it. I'm beginning to think though that we have quiet wolves. I mean why not? If you know the Cobblers are in the village taking the suspicion for you. I have a feeling though that some of that is RL-related, plus she was her normal argumentative self toDay.

Durelin - did come over as a very frustrated innocent, but there was a post by here early today, basically a 'this is why I'm not evil' post and the end of that really caught my attention and suspicion. A pre-defence wasn't necessary, no one has put any real pressure on her, so I wasn't keen on that.

Brinn - ah Brinn! What to do here? I read one post and think she's innocent, I read another and think she's guilty as hell. And I can't decide which. It makes me think she might be Cobbler rather than wolf but it does make me think she's evil.

phantom - he's evil damn it! Except of course that he's probably not. It's a terrible thing to admit to but I would quite happily lynch him for the pleasure of ridding myself of the unsurety. I'm still thinking over that point he made about Mith. The problem is that while it makes perfect sense I still believe him capable of finding a way around it.

Lommy - again comes across wrong somehow. Though I'm really not sure about this one as I don't know where that feeling has come from. I would have to take a proper look at her I think. Hmm actually I know what it is, she hasn't really come to a conclusion on anyone. I'm not sure it's doing us much good coming to a consensus as we've not managed to lynch a baddie yet, but she's just refusing to commit. Except for Nerwen - interesting that as there's no reasoning.

Hmm, so right now I think I'd want to lynch everyone. Mostly I want to lynch phantom but I sincerely doubt I'm going to get any support there as it is an entirely unfounded suspicion. Behind that it's a fair tie between Lommy, Nerwen and Brinn.

++LOMMY

Because this isn't the first time this game she's popped up as suspicious to me. Maybe I should stick with my early suspicions. We'll see.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Durelin

I don't think Shasta would take to that...

I wouldn't, and thank you for mentioning it so I don't have to.

Auditions soon! Must vote now.

++Phantom

Edit: X'd with Nerwen. Awww...

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by tp

Well, thanks a lot. You've made me feel really great.

You're welcome... (Hey Shasta, if you wanna fight with tp, I think I just found the perfect way to do it... Not that I would really recommend insulting people, though.)

Originally Posted by tp

But seriously, I still think you have my previous game too much in mind. I haven't been an Ordo for over a year. And my last game before that was in 2006. Unless you are remembering all the way back to WW IV where I was an "arrogant healer" and played rather in character.

Ha, I didn't even play ww back then. So either you have a point or it's just your 'downs behaviour in general. (A secret to the masses: I've occasionally talked with him in MSN and he's really much nicer than he pretends to be. )

Originally Posted by tp

Yes, because there have been times where I've started thinking that perhaps the entire reason the two of us have been kept alive is so that we'll turn this thing into a two-horse race where neither is a WW.

Weird. Maybe that makes sense. Maybe not. I mean, I haven't felt like I've been kept alive. I just have felt I haven't done anything to be an attracting kill. Okay, people don't suspect me that much etc, but maybe I look like a cobbler. Or maybe I'm so wrong about things that there's no danger in having me around. Or maybe indeed it's some dark scheme. Which actually makes me think that you are a wolf who's keeping me - and maybe Nerwen too - alive just in order not to be the only high profile player here... (Even though, last time a couple of "high profile" - I hate that term really - people were kept around till the end even though they weren't suspected that much, it had nothing to do with plotting among themselves.)

Originally Posted by tp

And speaking of siblings, have you ever had an argument with your sister? Gotten angry with her? So angry that maybe you wanted to hurt her? Kill her, perhaps?

If our dad wasn't dead (convenient, eh? ) he could tell you we never quarrell properly...

Are we the only ones around, by the way? It's half an hour til the deadline...


edit: xed with three people that proved my last sentence wrong... phew

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by me

And I wouldn't know about the sibling thing. Only child.

Originally Posted by Brin

Ah, well that explains everything.

Why does everyone say that?! Heh heh.

Ah well, Shasta did the expected thing.

If we both turn out to be Ordos then we were played like violins. Though I suspect him of Cobblery much more than being an Ordo. Wolf- I suppose it's possible. I'm not familiar enough with him to know how bold he is.

[the phantom]

Ner for Shasta (1)
Dur for Brin (1)
Kath for Lommy (1)
Shasta for Phantom (1)

Stil to vote- Lommy, Brin, Phantom, and Eonwe.

[Brinniel]

I still suspect Durelin a lot, but I'm thinking she's more likely a cobbler than wolf. Though I'll most likely change my mind on that if she's still alive toMorrow.

Four votes so far and all for different people. Obviously I won't vote for myself, but should I vote for one of the other three? I don't want to spread out the voting too much...but what are the chances that at least one of those three already voted for are wolves?

[the phantom]

And where is Eonwe? Surely the vote table isn't going to be all we hear from him today.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by the phantom

And where is Eonwe? Surely the vote table isn't going to be all we hear from him today.

Yeah... and I would kind of like to vote him, because currently I really feel he could be a sly newbie wolf... But I wouldn't really like to vote him if he doesn't post anything else and besides, the vote is rather spread now... I could vote any of Brinn, Shasta and tp really, I'm just way too baffled. I'd probably be most comfortable with voting Shasta, but then again, I really don't know. *sigh* But I will vote just to save myself if I need to do so. I'm the only one whose innocence I'm sure of. (Actually, I'm kind of hoping I would have to do that... I would be spared from the thinking... )

[the phantom]

Well, with three of the remaining four voters having already received a vote, this just screams last-minute-flurry. For it is the final person to reach the tally that is lynched I believe. Yay for last minute flurries!

[the phantom]

I, too, would be most comfortable voting Shasta, in the sense that I can't possibly believe he is the Assassin, and I think he is the most likely to have evil intent. The only thing holding me back is the fact that if he turns out to be a Cobbler we have essentially given him what he wants by lynching him.

Am I making this too personal? Being unwilling to vote for someone because I don't want that individual to be able to claim a victory?

[Thinlómien]

Maybe we three should just prevent the last-minute flurry by making a pact that we all vote Shasta?

edit: xed with the phantom - now I'm laughing, though