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Guest Saruman for or against Sauron? 07-25-2005, 11:26 AM

Eomer of the Rohirrim They were against each other... 07-25-2005, 11:34 AM

Kath I agree. He was actually very... 07-25-2005, 12:04 PM

Elladan and Elrohir Saruman betrayed the Council... 07-25-2005, 02:04 PM

The Only Real Estel I think that Saruman did... 07-25-2005, 02:56 PM

davem I think there's also... 07-25-2005, 02:57 PM

Guest I think Sauron gave away the... 07-25-2005, 03:44 PM

mormegil They both agreed that they... 07-25-2005, 04:22 PM

Boromir88 I've often compared the... 07-25-2005, 04:39 PM

Ar-Pharazon I don't think Sauron and... 07-25-2005, 11:18 PM

Lalwendë This brings to mind something... 07-26-2005, 03:53 AM

Eomer of the Rohirrim A Third Way? Oo er! If only... 07-26-2005, 06:25 AM

Kuruharan After that particular war... 07-26-2005, 08:18 AM

Holbytlass The ends justify the means? 07-26-2005, 08:53 AM

Elladan and Elrohir Actually, according to... 07-26-2005, 10:42 AM

Lalwendë Do you think that Sauron may... 07-26-2005, 04:52 PM

Kuruharan Only possession and mastery. ... 07-26-2005, 10:42 PM

Kath But if Saruman was originally... 07-27-2005, 05:36 AM

Lalwendë Yes, the important point is... 07-27-2005, 05:54 AM

Kuruharan Prestige does not necessarily... 07-27-2005, 07:10 AM

Elladan and Elrohir Gandalf would seem to imply... 07-27-2005, 01:04 PM

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Kuruharan He might have tried, but he... 08-12-2006, 08:21 AM

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Kuruharan Unlikely. The physical... 08-12-2006, 11:43 PM

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07-27-2005, 07:10 AM

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Kuruharan

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Kuruharan is battling Black Riders on Weathertop.

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But if Saruman was originally higher in the Order than Gandalf then surely he should have had an equal if not higher chance of being able to master the Ring?

Prestige does not necessarily reflect potency.

From the ever useful Letter #246...

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Of 'mortals' no one, not even Aragorn...Of the others only Gandalf might be expected to master him-being an emissary of the Powers and a creature of the same order, an immortal spirit taking a visible physical form.

We have to assume that Saruman fell into the category of "Of the others" even though he too was an emissary of the Powers.

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