The seven thains of Morgoth - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Keeper of Dol Guldur The seven thains of Morgoth 01-11-2002, 05:49 PM

Gwaihir the Windlord Saruman was not corrupted by... 01-11-2002, 09:23 PM

Elrian The other Balrog could also... 01-11-2002, 10:29 PM

Thingol Where in the Silm does it say... 01-11-2002, 10:50 PM

Voronwe I think Tolkien said there... 01-12-2002, 04:54 AM

Thingol There is a great, really... 01-12-2002, 09:26 AM

Aiwendil In the Book of Lost Tales... 01-12-2002, 03:48 PM

Cirdan the Shipwright Absolutely no place in the... 01-13-2002, 02:11 PM

obloquy See the post just above... 01-13-2002, 07:09 PM

Keeper of Dol Guldur still though, I seem to... 01-14-2002, 04:26 PM

Fell Shade I'm somewhat confused. I had... 01-14-2002, 04:40 PM

Gwaihir the Windlord I wouldn't say that. Sauron's... 01-14-2002, 11:28 PM

Inziladun The Silmarillion says that in... 01-15-2002, 01:07 AM

Aiwendil No, the note concerning 7... 01-15-2002, 02:30 PM

Carannillion Perhaps there were once lots... 01-15-2002, 03:59 PM

Thingol Carannillion, you are... 01-15-2002, 04:33 PM

obloquy The '3 or at most 7' note was... 01-15-2002, 08:44 PM

Thingol You are certainly correct... 01-15-2002, 08:50 PM

obloquy That's exactly my point,... 01-16-2002, 10:51 AM

Aiwendil But what if we assume that... 01-16-2002, 01:23 PM

Thingol The 3 or 7 note comes from... 01-16-2002, 01:25 PM

Keeper of Dol Guldur The number seven though,... 01-16-2002, 02:46 PM

Keeper of Dol Guldur even if she ran, Ungoliant... 01-16-2002, 02:47 PM

Keeper of Dol Guldur Also, it never mentioned if... 01-16-2002, 03:07 PM

obloquy You're right, Aiwendil. Which... 01-16-2002, 06:23 PM

Thingol I don't see why more than 7... 01-16-2002, 06:43 PM

obloquy Ecthelion and Glorfindel were... 01-16-2002, 08:37 PM

Yaish Just a hint as to the power... 01-17-2002, 01:44 AM

Keeper of Dol Guldur And to bring up the fact that... 01-18-2002, 04:36 PM

obloquy Well, I've come up with a new... 02-26-2002, 11:52 PM

Thingol You made the same mistake... 03-02-2002, 09:46 AM

obloquy Well, this time the mistake... 03-06-2002, 12:35 AM

obloquy Myths Transformed I just... 03-06-2002, 03:07 PM

Mhoram It would help to know what... 03-07-2002, 07:02 AM

doug*platypus The Ambition of Balrogs ... 01-04-2003, 05:14 AM

Inderjit Sanghera Not even hundreds, Voronwe,... 01-04-2003, 01:23 PM

Olorin_TLA One thing: in the note where... 12-24-2003, 09:14 AM

01-16-2002, 01:25 PM	#1
Thingol Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 259	The 3 or 7 note comes from Chris Tolkien saying that his father said that perhaps no more than 3 or 7 ever existed. While it is extremely concievable that Tolkien wanted to limit the number of Balrogs to 3, it can never be actually known. However, I do not think we can easily disregard the quote in the Silm about Balrogs issuing forth to help Morgoth in the War of Wrath and being destroyed solely on the basis of that note. But like you said obloquy, noone can prove what the good professor was thinking about doing, we just have to go from what already exists. [ January 16, 2002: Message edited by: Thingol ] __________________ Yet the lies that Melkor, the mighty and accursed, Morgoth Bauglir, the Power of Terror and of Hate, sowed in the hearts of Elves and Men are a seed that does not die and cannot be destroyed; and ever and anon it sprouts anew, and will bear dark fruit even unto the latest days.