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08-14-2003, 11:38 PM

I imagine this topic has been done before, but as I am new here I will have my go ... a couple of things that drive me crazy about Fellowship of the Ring movie ...Gandalf loses his hat and staff at Saruman's tower but has them again at Rivendell.The company are often frying up sausages but never contract tummy bugs from eating unrefrigerated meat.Why does Boromir stop Frodo from rescuing Gandalf in Moria? Of course, I know he can't because of the actual storyline, but why is he shown stopping him?Does Frodo ever suffer headaches, backaches, or injuries from being thrown backwards so often?I have more, but I don't want to be TOO cynical.But okay ... for that matter, the whole of the book suffers from a gaping huge plot-hole - why didn't they just fly Gandalf and Frodo to the Crack of Doom on Gwaihir in the first place and save all that trouble? Not that I'm complaining! I love the story!Having said all that, I can't wait for Two Towers to come out on video and Return of the King in December. Love this site, glad to be here.

steve · 08-14-2003, 11:58 PM

First of... Welcome to the downs. Enjoy being dead, and dont scare to many children that wander near ur crypt. you dont need any priests trying to excercise you (heh drop and give me 20)Ok, well about the meat part, for so many years there was not refrigeration and people ate meat, plus they did not really eat any meat after leaving rivendel. and about boromir stoping frodo, on that same accord why did faramir take frodo and sam to osgiliath? why did arwen take glorfindel's place? why wasnt erekenbrand in the movie at all? I cant explain the staff. They probable do suffer bachaches and headaches, but why would they show it or put it in the book? and if u have any other Qs and u dont wana post, just IM me on aol at smeagol the vile ~Steve~[ August 15, 2003: Message edited by: steve ]

Estelyn Telcontar · 08-15-2003, 07:35 AM

Welcome to the Downs, Ceryx Moon! There's a whole thread on the eagle question: <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000779" TARGET=_blank>The Great Eagle Mystery</A>. Enjoy! To introduce yourself, please post on the <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=002368&p=5" TARGET=_blank>New Members</A> thread on the Novices and Newcomers forum.[ August 15, 2003: Message edited by: Estelyn Telcontar ]

The Only Real Estel · 08-15-2003, 08:36 AM

I think Borimir stopped Frodo because of two reasons: *Frodo, being only a hobbit, couldn't have given any real help to Gandalf anyway with Gandalf being in the situation that he was. *The bridge was probably un-stable, & it was hardly worth chancing the life of the Ring-Bearer, & perhaps the last hope of destroying the Ring to let Frodo go running across the Bridge to Gandalf, only to have it crumble under his feet... .

Arwen Eruantale · 08-15-2003, 08:24 PM

Yeah, why wouldn't Boromir stop him? Besides, if he hadn't, Sam probably would have anyway. No offense to you, Ceryx Moon(BTW Welcome to the Downs! That's an awesome name.), but that is more a question of simple common sense logic than plot. I've determined not to repeat what The Only Real Estel has said, but he put it better than I would've anyway...

Lord of Angmar · 08-15-2003, 09:01 PM

I think a new forum should be created with the sole purpose of *****ing about Peter Jackson's movie. I created a new thread the other day on the topic of parts of PJ's movies that people did not like, and there are many more on the site. This is just another duplicate thread, and many of the things you are arguing here are pointless.As for the sausages "mystery"; since I'm sure wanderers in Middle Earth did not often find a place to refrigerate their food, I would imagine they salted the meat to preserve it.How Gandalf gets his staff again is inexplicable; a theory is that a new one was made for him (as well as, I suppose, his hat), in Rivendell.The Eagle mystery has been discussed time and again, and the simple fact is that the Eagles probably would not have agreed to a task of such danger, nor would it have made a good book plot .When was Frodo thrown forwards and backwards? Do you mean in the skirmish in Moria, or when he rode Arwen's horse, or is there something else specifically that I am missing?I think the Boromir situation is pretty self-explanatory. What would Frodo have done, rescued Gandalf from the grip of the Balrog? He would have put himself in the clear path of orkish archers, risked the bridge crumbling and risked the entire point of the quest.On a lighter note, I shall suggest the "Whining about PJ" forum to the BD administration . Cheers! -Angmar[ August 22, 2003: Message edited by: Lord of Angmar ]

Kaiserin · 08-15-2003, 09:36 PM

Hi Ceryx Moon! Nice name <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> ...the whole of the book suffers from a gaping huge plot-hole - why didn't they just fly Gandalf and Frodo to the Crack of Doom on Gwaihir in the first place and save all that trouble? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Think: SECRECY. If Gwaihir flew the ring over to Mount Doom, it would become too obvious to Sauron. And they would be an open target. And besides, the eagles don't interfere with mortal's matters until they are permited to do so by the Valar.Funny that you should think about the backaches and headaches... [ August 15, 2003: Message edited by: Kaiserin ]

Lush · 08-16-2003, 12:33 PM

Per Ceryx Moon's (welcome, btw) question regarding the lack of headaches and backaches, well, I don't think that the movies are particularly unrealistic about it.I mean, check out Frodo's face in half the scenes. Does he look particularly happy or healthy to you? Also, remember Frodo's wound: that one isn't going anywhere for the rest of his life.Per Aragorn in regards to backaches and whatnot: he's a trained warrior. I think that assuming that he knows how to fall with minimal injury to himself is not stretching our logic too far. He's got special blood running in his veins; he can manage. Same goes for Gimli. And Legolas is an Elf, and if you know anything about Elves, you should probably have a good idea of how hard it is to seriously damage an Elf. Besides all that, having the characters continuously walking around and whining "me back hurrrts" would turn an epic into something resembling a documentary on retirement homes.

arianrod · 08-16-2003, 02:08 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Besides all that, having the characters continuously walking around and whining "me back hurrrts" would turn an epic into something resembling a documentary on retirement homes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>lol, Lush! And on to the complaints listed above, let me remind you of something: PJ isn't perfect. All movies have little inconsistancies in their details that seem a bit 'off' to attentive audience members, and LotR is no different. Maybe PJ was paying more attention to portraying the story in an understandable manner than he was with preserving sausages. But hey, that's just my opinion...

08-14-2003, 11:38 PM	#1
Ceryx Moon Guest Posts: n/a	New here ... been dying to say ... I imagine this topic has been done before, but as I am new here I will have my go ... a couple of things that drive me crazy about Fellowship of the Ring movie ...<P>Gandalf loses his hat and staff at Saruman's tower but has them again at Rivendell.<P>The company are often frying up sausages but never contract tummy bugs from eating unrefrigerated meat.<P>Why does Boromir stop Frodo from rescuing Gandalf in Moria? Of course, I know he can't because of the actual storyline, but why is he shown stopping him?<P>Does Frodo ever suffer headaches, backaches, or injuries from being thrown backwards so often?<P>I have more, but I don't want to be TOO cynical.<P>But okay ... for that matter, the whole of the book suffers from a gaping huge plot-hole - why didn't they just fly Gandalf and Frodo to the Crack of Doom on Gwaihir in the first place and save all that trouble? Not that I'm complaining! I love the story!<P>Having said all that, I can't wait for Two Towers to come out on video and Return of the King in December. <P>Love this site, glad to be here. <P>

08-14-2003, 11:58 PM	#2
steve Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Edoras... er, Philadelphia Posts: 191	First of... Welcome to the downs. Enjoy being dead, and dont scare to many children that wander near ur crypt. you dont need any priests trying to excercise you (heh drop and give me 20)<P>Ok, well about the meat part, for so many years there was not refrigeration and people ate meat, plus they did not really eat any meat after leaving rivendel. and about boromir stoping frodo, on that same accord why did faramir take frodo and sam to osgiliath? why did arwen take glorfindel's place? why wasnt erekenbrand in the movie at all? I cant explain the staff. They probable do suffer bachaches and headaches, but why would they show it or put it in the book?<P> and if u have any other Qs and u dont wana post, just IM me on aol at smeagol the vile ~Steve~<p>[ August 15, 2003: Message edited by: steve ] __________________ MAGIC SHOP! Spells of Mass Destruction 20% off! Today Only!

08-15-2003, 07:35 AM	#3
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Welcome to the Downs, Ceryx Moon! There's a whole thread on the eagle question: <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000779" TARGET=_blank>The Great Eagle Mystery</A>. Enjoy! To introduce yourself, please post on the <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=002368&p=5" TARGET=_blank>New Members</A> thread on the Novices and Newcomers forum.<p>[ August 15, 2003: Message edited by: Estelyn Telcontar ] __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

08-15-2003, 08:36 AM	#4
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	I think Borimir stopped Frodo because of two reasons: <BR>Frodo, being only a hobbit, couldn't have given any <I>real</I> help to Gandalf anyway with Gandalf being in the situation that he was.<BR>The bridge was probably un-stable, & it was hardly worth chancing the life of the Ring-Bearer, & perhaps the last hope of destroying the Ring to let Frodo go running across the Bridge to Gandalf, only to have it crumble under his feet... .

08-15-2003, 08:24 PM	#5
Arwen Eruantale Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: My Field of Paper Flowers Posts: 282	Yeah, why <I>wouldn't</I> Boromir stop him? Besides, if he hadn't, Sam probably would have anyway. <P>No offense to you, <B>Ceryx Moon</B>(BTW Welcome to the Downs! That's an awesome name.), but that is more a question of simple common sense logic than plot. I've determined not to repeat what The Only Real Estel has said, but he put it better than I would've anyway... __________________ And he became somewhat grim to look upon, unless he chanced to smile... Will you pay attention?

08-15-2003, 09:01 PM	#6
Lord of Angmar Tyrannus Incorporalis Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: the North Posts: 833	I think a new forum should be created with the sole purpose of ****ing about Peter Jackson's movie. I created a new thread the other day on the topic of parts of PJ's movies that people did not like, and there are many more on the site. This is just another duplicate thread, and many of the things you are arguing here are pointless.<P>As for the sausages "mystery"; since I'm sure wanderers in Middle Earth did not often find a place to refrigerate their food, I would imagine they salted the meat to preserve it.<P>How Gandalf gets his staff again is inexplicable; a theory is that a new one was made for him (as well as, I suppose, his hat), in Rivendell.<P>The Eagle mystery has been discussed time and again, and the simple fact is that the Eagles probably would not have agreed to a task of such danger, nor would it have made a good book plot .<P>When was Frodo thrown forwards and backwards? Do you mean in the skirmish in Moria, or when he rode Arwen's horse, or is there something else specifically that I am missing?<P>I think the Boromir situation is pretty self-explanatory. What would Frodo have done, rescued Gandalf from the grip of the Balrog? He would have put himself in the clear path of orkish archers, risked the bridge crumbling and risked the entire point of the quest.<P>On a lighter note, I shall suggest the "Whining about PJ" forum to the BD administration . <P>Cheers!<BR>-Angmar<p>[ August 22, 2003: Message edited by: Lord of Angmar ] __________________ ...where the instrument of intelligence is added to brute power and evil will, mankind is powerless in its own defence.*

08-15-2003, 09:36 PM	#7
Kaiserin Wight Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cair Paravel Posts: 150	Hi Ceryx Moon! Nice name <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> ...the whole of the book suffers from a gaping huge plot-hole - why didn't they just fly Gandalf and Frodo to the Crack of Doom on Gwaihir in the first place and save all that trouble? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Think: SECRECY. If Gwaihir flew the ring over to Mount Doom, it would become too obvious to Sauron. And they would be an open target. And besides, the eagles don't interfere with mortal's matters until they are permited to do so by the Valar.<P>Funny that you should think about the backaches and headaches... <p>[ August 15, 2003: Message edited by: Kaiserin ] __________________ The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

08-16-2003, 12:33 PM	#8
Lush Fair and Cold Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the big onion Posts: 1,770	Per Ceryx Moon's (welcome, btw) question regarding the lack of headaches and backaches, well, I don't think that the movies are particularly unrealistic about it.<P>I mean, check out Frodo's face in half the scenes. Does he look particularly <I>happy</I> or <I>healthy</I> to you? Also, remember Frodo's wound: that one isn't going <I>anywhere</I> for the rest of his life.<P>Per Aragorn in regards to backaches and whatnot: he's a trained warrior. I think that assuming that he knows how to fall with minimal injury to himself is not stretching our logic too far. He's got <I>special</I> blood running in his veins; he can manage. Same goes for Gimli. And Legolas is an <I>Elf</I>, and if you know anything about Elves, you should probably have a good idea of how hard it is to seriously damage an Elf. <P>Besides all that, having the characters continuously walking around and whining "me back hurrrts" would turn an epic into something resembling a documentary on retirement homes. __________________ ~The beginning is the word and the end is silence. And in between are all the stories. This is one of mine~

08-16-2003, 02:08 PM	#9
arianrod Wight Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Wandering Hobbiton, smiling at the hobbits & trying to sell them vacuum cleaners Posts: 215	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Besides all that, having the characters continuously walking around and whining "me back hurrrts" would turn an epic into something resembling a documentary on retirement homes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>lol, Lush! <P>And on to the complaints listed above, let me remind you of something: PJ isn't perfect. All movies have little inconsistancies in their details that seem a bit 'off' to attentive audience members, and LotR is no different. Maybe PJ was paying more attention to portraying the story in an understandable manner than he was with preserving sausages. But hey, that's just my opinion... __________________ Eenie, meanie, Samwise Gamgee, Staring after pretty Rosie, If she calls, watch him blush, then turn and leave in a rush. You want to join the Citadel... You know you do... Do the Wave for Boromir the Disco King!