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The Only Real Estel · 08-06-2003, 09:32 PM

Can anyone here tell me what Gimli says to Haldir in Lothlorien, in the Extended Version? Or maybe it's just a bunch of nonsense...either way I'd like to put the issue to rest with myself! [ August 06, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

Eruwen · 08-06-2003, 09:47 PM

We discussed this a while back here, and I think it came to the point that what he said wasn't even Dwarvish language. Someone tried to translate it, but it wouldn't translate. I think only one word could be made from it and it was like "what" or something like that. But it's practically nonsense.

dancing spawn of ungoliant · 08-07-2003, 12:52 AM

It can be made up but it is supposed to mean "I spit upon your grave".<A HREF="http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_fotr.htm#ishkhaqwi" TARGET=_blank>Here</A> are Gimli's words in Lorien explained.

Silmiel of Imladris · 08-07-2003, 11:42 AM

I think Gimli intended to put a curse on Haldir. Unfortunately it worked.

The Only Real Estel · 08-07-2003, 06:14 PM

I see, sorry I didn't see that previous discusion . Thanks anyway, now I at least know what he said, guys.[ August 07, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

Birdland · 08-07-2003, 08:12 PM

Sorry O.R.E. - But I think that German translator was talking through his hat, and offers no basis for his rather lame version of Gimli's smart-mouthed remark to Haldir.Here's a thread that I started on the same question - <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=001355" TARGET=_blank>Smile when you say that, Gimli!</A> - and there is a link mentioned in it regarding Dwarvish words and word fragments. I have a feeling that the Tolkien linquists hired by P.J. just made up Dwarvish "sounds" based on the Good Professor's notes. Whatever the origin of the phrase, I still think Gimli could have come up with something more dissin' than "I spit on your grave." (Ooooooohhhhhhhh! I'm scared!)

dancing spawn of ungoliant · 08-08-2003, 07:03 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Whatever the origin of the phrase, I still think Gimli could have come up with something more dissin' than "I spit on your grave." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> In different times there are different traditions and different insults...maybe that "curse" wouldn't be taken so seriously nowadays [ August 08, 2003: Message edited by: dancing spawn of ungoliant ]

Gurthang · 08-08-2003, 10:31 AM

I agree that he just babbles on about something then says "I sounded so stupid" or something like that. He was just stammering while trying to think of how to ask "just one hair from your golden head." But thats just me.

Arwen Eruantale · 08-18-2003, 08:05 PM

Only Real Estel:Isn't there already a thread like this?

The Only Real Estel · 08-19-2003, 01:35 PM

Arwen Eruantale: There was a thread from a long time ago on this that I didn't see. But Amerantha_Daisy started her's after mine, since I think you were talking about hers .

Arwen Eruantale · 08-19-2003, 01:51 PM

Oh.. Sorry, Only Real Estel. Hey, aren't you technically insulting yourself with that new sig?Frodo Lives! Revive the slogan!EDIT: 101 posts![ August 19, 2003: Message edited by: Arwen Eruantale ]

The Only Real Estel · 08-19-2003, 02:47 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Hey, aren't you technically insulting yourself with that new sig?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Techinically, yes. But: *I'm not know for worry about techincalities. *And I can't afford to let that git in the way including something that made up, & that's not just a quote. So yeah, I am, but it doesn't make a diference to me! [ August 19, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

08-06-2003, 09:32 PM	#1
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	Say what? Can anyone here tell me what Gimli says to Haldir in Lothlorien, in the Extended Version? Or maybe it's just a bunch of nonsense...either way I'd like to put the issue to rest with myself! <p>[ August 06, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

08-07-2003, 12:52 AM	#3
dancing spawn of ungoliant Mischievous Candle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: So near to Russia, so far from Japan, quite a long way from Cairo, lots of miles from Vietnam. Posts: 1,234	It can be made up but it is supposed to mean "I spit upon your grave".<P><A HREF="http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_fotr.htm#ishkhaqwi" TARGET=_blank>Here</A> are Gimli's words in Lorien explained. __________________ Fenris Wolf

08-07-2003, 11:42 AM	#4
Silmiel of Imladris Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Looking into a crystal ball- still see nothing Posts: 395	I think Gimli intended to put a curse on Haldir. Unfortunately it worked. __________________ Legolas 20 ales later: I feel something, a slight tingling in my fingers. I think it's affecting me. Figwit on his name: Are you suggesting that I have the wit of a fig?

08-07-2003, 06:14 PM	#5
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	I see, sorry I didn't see that previous discusion . Thanks anyway, now I at least know what he said, guys.<p>[ August 07, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

08-07-2003, 08:12 PM	#6
Birdland Ghastly Neekerbreeker Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the banks of the mighty Scioto Posts: 1,751	Sorry O.R.E. - But I think that German translator was talking through his hat, and offers no basis for his rather lame version of Gimli's smart-mouthed remark to Haldir.<P>Here's a thread that I started on the same question - <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=001355" TARGET=_blank>Smile when you say that, Gimli!</A> - and there is a link mentioned in it regarding Dwarvish words and word fragments. I have a feeling that the Tolkien linquists hired by P.J. just made up Dwarvish "sounds" based on the Good Professor's notes. <P>Whatever the origin of the phrase, I still think Gimli could have come up with something more dissin' than "I spit on your grave." (Ooooooohhhhhhhh! I'm scared!)

08-06-2003, 09:47 PM	#2
Eruwen Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 892	We discussed this a while back here, and I think it came to the point that what he said wasn't even Dwarvish language. Someone tried to translate it, but it wouldn't translate. I think only one word could be made from it and it was like "what" or something like that. But it's practically nonsense.

08-08-2003, 07:03 AM	#7
dancing spawn of ungoliant Mischievous Candle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: So near to Russia, so far from Japan, quite a long way from Cairo, lots of miles from Vietnam. Posts: 1,234	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Whatever the origin of the phrase, I still think Gimli could have come up with something more dissin' than "I spit on your grave." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>In different times there are different traditions and different insults...maybe that "curse" wouldn't be taken so seriously nowadays <p>[ August 08, 2003: Message edited by: dancing spawn of ungoliant ] __________________ Fenris Wolf

08-08-2003, 10:31 AM	#8
Gurthang Sword of Spirit Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Oh, I'm around. Posts: 1,401	I agree that he just babbles on about something then says "I sounded so stupid" or something like that. He was just stammering while trying to think of how to ask "just one hair from your golden head." But thats just me. __________________ I'm on a Mission from God.

08-18-2003, 08:05 PM	#9
Arwen Eruantale Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: My Field of Paper Flowers Posts: 282	<B>Only Real Estel:</B><P>Isn't there already a thread like this? __________________ And he became somewhat grim to look upon, unless he chanced to smile... Will you pay attention?

08-19-2003, 01:35 PM	#10
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	Arwen Eruantale: There was a thread from a long time ago on this that I didn't see. But Amerantha_Daisy started her's <I>after</I> mine, since I think you were talking about hers .

08-19-2003, 01:51 PM	#11
Arwen Eruantale Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: My Field of Paper Flowers Posts: 282	Oh.. Sorry, Only Real Estel. <P>Hey, aren't you technically insulting yourself with that new sig?<P><B>Frodo Lives!</B> <I>Revive the slogan!</I><P><B>EDIT:</B> 101 posts!<p>[ August 19, 2003: Message edited by: Arwen Eruantale ] __________________ And he became somewhat grim to look upon, unless he chanced to smile... Will you pay attention?

08-19-2003, 02:47 PM	#12
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Hey, aren't you technically insulting yourself with that new sig?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Techinically, yes. But:<BR> I'm not know for worry about techincalities.<BR> And I can't afford to let that git in the way including something that made up, & that's not just a quote.<BR> So yeah, I am, but it doesn't make a diference to me! <p>[ August 19, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]