Shelob's Lair - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Armetiel · 02-04-2004, 04:16 PM

Just wondering...if you look at the animals hanging from Shelob's webs, one is a Penquin...now, how do you suppose a penquin made it's way to Mordor?

Kransha · 02-04-2004, 06:10 PM

Actually, after seeing it thrice, I figured out that aviary creature is in fact a sparrow of some kind. Far too small to be a penguin. Of course, I didn't think sparrows flew near Cirith Ungol, but maybe it was supposed to be a crebain or raven.

Armetiel · 02-04-2004, 06:23 PM

hmm..you think so, because every other place I've seen online has said it was a penquin too...a crebain would make a bit more sense...

Kransha · 02-04-2004, 06:38 PM

Really...well, you know what that means...I'm going back to the movie theater, sneak into the screening room, stop the tape at that part, and use my stolen Ornithology manual to find out once and for all.You gotta wonder what Shelob eats, since not much lives around Cirith Ungol. Probably just orcs, maybe birds, other insects. Spiders eat flies, so I guess the patent-pending "Flies of Mordor" will have to do for her. Or NEEKERBEAKERS!

The Only Real Estel · 02-04-2004, 09:00 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>if you look at the animals hanging from Shelob's webs, one is a Penquin<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>lol, no, no, I don't think it's a penguin. I don't think it's a crebain either, it looked over-large for one of those. Probably one of those other types of special Middle-Earth birds, though .

Grimkû the Blood-Axe · 02-05-2004, 04:43 AM

Shelob - Orc Eater?In the movie I remember seeing several bodies hanging from her lair. Would these be that of orc kind? I doubt it as she and the orcs are both in Saurons domain but it wouldnt suprise me if they were.

Carorëiel · 02-05-2004, 08:22 AM

Gollum says Shelob eats orcs when he's talking to himself (reflection in the pool scene). Remember? "And they don't taste very good, does they, precious?"There is also mention of Shelob eating orcs in the book.

Fyara · 02-09-2004, 01:58 PM

just one little funny thing i want to add? How come in the books Shelob is at the end of the second one , yet in the movie its in the third? Weird but maybe they where running out of space etc. I think it would be cool if they where to redo all the lotr movies with the current actors with everything from the books(with history). I know that it would be very costly and be much much longer but hell i would watch them all one after another even if they were a combined 24hrs long :P o well its just my insight other people probably have different ideas.

Burzdol · 02-09-2004, 06:07 PM

another orc eating thing, when the orcs come, they say something about not wanting to get attacked by Shelob. or is that just a figment of my imagination?

Jjudvven · 02-10-2004, 11:39 AM

In the book it mentions that Shelob often devoured the Orcs that passed through the mountain. I think they said this in the movie also. I never noticed any penguin, but I'll have to watch out next time.

dragoneyes · 02-18-2004, 04:13 PM

I always thought it was a magpie. Coming to think of it, a magpie could be drawn there because of all the dead stuff (yummy food in their eyes).

Lathriel · 02-18-2004, 05:16 PM

A Penguin. Boy, that would be the last thing i would think of.
Just like dragoneyes i always thought it was a Magpie. That just makes a little more sense than a peguin, don't you think?

Lobelia · 02-19-2004, 05:42 AM

As long as we're talking weird matters in Shelob's lair, did anyone notice that Shelob, scuttling for safety from Sam and Sting, shrieks, "No-o-o!" I know Shelob was sentient, but it was unexpected.

My brother made me crack up, during that scene, where Sam says, "All right, you filth,etc." by whispering a reference to that scene in ALIENS where Ripley confronts the Alien Queen. Of course, I did point out to him, after choking, that Tolkien said it first, but it goes to show, a lot of people were inspired by the Professor, eh?

dancing spawn of ungoliant · 02-19-2004, 07:00 AM

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How come in the books Shelob is at the end of the second one , yet in the movie its in the third?

1. They decided that they can't have two so opposite climaxes so close to each other. First there's the great victory of Helm's deep and then after a while there would be a hideous giant-spider. It would ruin the feeling of the Helm's deep.

2. In the book the journeys of Frodo & Sam and the rest of the Fellowship are written separately. Since PJ decided to mix them, he had to consider the dates, what happened, when and to whom. In that case, Shelob and Helm's deep doesn't match by timing -> Shelob belongs to the 3rd film.

Shelob ate orcs whenever she got a chance. It is mentioned in the book. Remember the orc that Shelob forgot hanging upside down in her lair...poor orc.

02-04-2004, 04:16 PM	#1
Armetiel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 74	Shelob's Lair Just wondering...if you look at the animals hanging from Shelob's webs, one is a Penquin...now, how do you suppose a penquin made it's way to Mordor? __________________ "Love the Lord with all your heart, with all your strength, and with all your soul." Deuteronomy 6:5

02-04-2004, 06:10 PM	#2
Kransha Ubiquitous Urulóki Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The port of Mars, where Famine, Sword, and Fire, leash'd in like hounds, crouch for employment Posts: 747	Actually, after seeing it thrice, I figured out that aviary creature is in fact a sparrow of some kind. Far too small to be a penguin. Of course, I didn't think sparrows flew near Cirith Ungol, but maybe it was supposed to be a crebain or raven. __________________ "What mortal feels not awe/Nor trembles at our name, Hearing our fate-appointed power sublime/Fixed by the eternal law. For old our office, and our fame," -Aeschylus, Song of the Furies

02-04-2004, 06:23 PM	#3
Armetiel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 74	hmm..you think so, because every other place I've seen online has said it was a penquin too...a crebain would make a bit more sense... __________________ "Love the Lord with all your heart, with all your strength, and with all your soul." Deuteronomy 6:5

02-04-2004, 06:38 PM	#4
Kransha Ubiquitous Urulóki Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The port of Mars, where Famine, Sword, and Fire, leash'd in like hounds, crouch for employment Posts: 747	Really...well, you know what that means...<P>I'm going back to the movie theater, sneak into the screening room, stop the tape at that part, and use my stolen Ornithology manual to find out once and for all.<P>You gotta wonder what Shelob eats, since not much lives around Cirith Ungol. Probably just orcs, maybe birds, other insects. Spiders eat flies, so I guess the patent-pending "Flies of Mordor" will have to do for her. Or NEEKERBEAKERS! __________________ "What mortal feels not awe/Nor trembles at our name, Hearing our fate-appointed power sublime/Fixed by the eternal law. For old our office, and our fame," -Aeschylus, Song of the Furies

02-04-2004, 09:00 PM	#5
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>if you look at the animals hanging from Shelob's webs, one is a Penquin<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>lol, no, no, I don't think it's a penguin. I don't think it's a crebain either, it looked over-large for one of those. Probably one of those other types of special Middle-Earth birds, though .

02-05-2004, 04:43 AM	#6
Grimkû the Blood-Axe Animated Skeleton Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 28	Shelob - Orc Eater?<P>In the movie I remember seeing several bodies hanging from her lair. Would these be that of orc kind? I doubt it as she and the orcs are both in Saurons domain but it wouldnt suprise me if they were. __________________ The end comes, drums, drums in the deep...they are coming. Grimkû the Blood-Axe - Talented Ringwraith.

02-05-2004, 08:22 AM	#7
Carorëiel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Tennessee Posts: 54	Gollum says Shelob eats orcs when he's talking to himself (reflection in the pool scene). Remember? "And they don't taste very good, does they, precious?"<P>There is also mention of Shelob eating orcs in the book. __________________ "Art is our way of keeping track of what we know and have known, secretly, from the beginning."--John Gardner

02-09-2004, 01:58 PM	#8
Fyara Pile O'Bones Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 17	just one little funny thing i want to add? How come in the books Shelob is at the end of the second one , yet in the movie its in the third? Weird but maybe they where running out of space etc. I think it would be cool if they where to redo all the lotr movies with the current actors with everything from the books(with history). I know that it would be very costly and be much much longer but hell i would watch them all one after another even if they were a combined 24hrs long :P o well its just my insight other people probably have different ideas. __________________ Love is but one aspect of live that is among the hardest to explain

02-09-2004, 06:07 PM	#9
Burzdol Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Fair City of Rivendell Posts: 274	another orc eating thing, when the orcs come, they say something about not wanting to get attacked by Shelob. or is that just a figment of my imagination? __________________ "Kill them all for all I care. You just keep that bow away from me!"

02-10-2004, 11:39 AM	#10
Jjudvven Wight Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Land to the West Posts: 154	In the book it mentions that Shelob often devoured the Orcs that passed through the mountain. I think they said this in the movie also. I never noticed any penguin, but I'll have to watch out next time. __________________ "I don't know all of you as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you, half as well as you deserve."

02-18-2004, 04:13 PM	#11
dragoneyes Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Completely lost track, sorry! Posts: 733	I always thought it was a magpie. Coming to think of it, a magpie could be drawn there because of all the dead stuff (yummy food in their eyes). __________________ "We might succeed in roasting Pippin alive inside." - Frodo.

02-18-2004, 05:16 PM	#12
Lathriel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wandering through Middle-Earth (Sadly in Alberta and not ME) Posts: 612	A Penguin. Boy, that would be the last thing i would think of. Just like dragoneyes i always thought it was a Magpie. That just makes a little more sense than a peguin, don't you think? __________________ Back again

02-19-2004, 05:42 AM	#13
Lobelia Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 150	As long as we're talking weird matters in Shelob's lair, did anyone notice that Shelob, scuttling for safety from Sam and Sting, shrieks, "No-o-o!" I know Shelob was sentient, but it was unexpected. My brother made me crack up, during that scene, where Sam says, "All right, you filth,etc." by whispering a reference to that scene in ALIENS where Ripley confronts the Alien Queen. Of course, I did point out to him, after choking, that Tolkien said it first, but it goes to show, a lot of people were inspired by the Professor, eh?