Frodo/Gollum fight at Sammath Naur - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Sleeping Beauty · 01-26-2004, 08:42 PM

I searched and I couldn't find anything, so here it goes. I knew something was bugging me about ROTK and I couldn't place my finger on it till I read the posts in the books about Frodo at Sammath Naur. But in the movie, was it just me, or was it just a bit odd that Frodo put up such a fight with Gollum even after he took Frodo's finger? I think I would have been in too much pain to be duking it out with Gollum, then nearly falling into the lava. Was there any reasoning as why Peter did that or is it just as fans of Frodo they wanted something else besides Gollum dancing himself silly into lava? Given reasoning of course being he needed a nice climax to the movie, but maybe any deeper meanings perhaps?

Lathriel · 01-26-2004, 10:00 PM

Maybe PJ let Frodo go after Gollum because One: he wanted to show the power the ring still had on Frodo Two: Gollum simply dancing off the edge as in the book would have seemed to simple and maybe could have been a bit of an anti-climax instead of THE climax.

Lord of Angmar · 01-27-2004, 09:46 AM

The Ring obviously had an immense effect on Frodo and at this point, wielded tremendous power over him. What else would he do if not fight Gollum for that which he had bourne so far? Just stand there and watch?

Lyta_Underhill · 01-27-2004, 10:32 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>What else would he do if not fight Gollum for that which he had bourne so far? Just stand there and watch?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> True enough, Angmar, or should I say Tyrannus Incorporalis? (Congrats on the supercool PT, by the way!) In the book, I got the impression it all happened very fast, and that Frodo had no time to react to the fact that Gollum had divested him of not only his finger, but also the Ring. Since PJ drew out the climax of the story here, that would present the obvious problem of what to do with our now nine-fingered hobbit for all that time. I begin to wonder if the only reason Frodo didn't attack Gollum in the book is because Gollum fell into the Cracks so quickly and Frodo just didn't have time to recover. So, I'm thinking this is a result of movie time dilation, a thinking through of "what ifs."Cheers! LytaP.S. Glad you found the other thread enlightening, Sleeping Beauty! I shall have to revisit it soon myself, when I have the strength!

01-26-2004, 08:42 PM	#1
Sleeping Beauty Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Somewhere between the back of the chair and the monitor Posts: 115	Frodo/Gollum fight at Sammath Naur I searched and I couldn't find anything, so here it goes. I knew something was bugging me about ROTK and I couldn't place my finger on it till I read the posts in the books about Frodo at Sammath Naur. But in the movie, was it just me, or was it just a bit odd that Frodo put up such a fight with Gollum even after he took Frodo's finger? I think I would have been in too much pain to be duking it out with Gollum, then nearly falling into the lava. Was there any reasoning as why Peter did that or is it just as fans of Frodo they wanted something else besides Gollum dancing himself silly into lava? Given reasoning of course being he needed a nice climax to the movie, but maybe any deeper meanings perhaps? __________________ "If I knew all of the answers, I'd run for God." ~ Klinger: MAS*H

01-26-2004, 10:00 PM	#2
Lathriel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wandering through Middle-Earth (Sadly in Alberta and not ME) Posts: 612	Maybe PJ let Frodo go after Gollum because One: he wanted to show the power the ring still had on Frodo<BR>Two: Gollum simply dancing off the edge as in the book would have seemed to simple and maybe could have been a bit of an anti-climax instead of THE climax. __________________ Back again

01-27-2004, 09:46 AM	#3
Lord of Angmar Tyrannus Incorporalis Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: the North Posts: 833	The Ring obviously had an immense effect on Frodo and at this point, wielded tremendous power over him. What else would he do if not fight Gollum for that which he had bourne so far? Just stand there and watch? __________________ ...where the instrument of intelligence is added to brute power and evil will, mankind is powerless in its own defence.

01-27-2004, 10:32 AM	#4
Lyta_Underhill Haunted Halfling Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: an uncounted length of steps--floating between air molecules Posts: 841	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>What else would he do if not fight Gollum for that which he had bourne so far? Just stand there and watch?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> True enough, <B>Angmar</B>, or should I say <B>Tyrannus Incorporalis</B>? (Congrats on the supercool PT, by the way!) In the book, I got the impression it all happened very fast, and that Frodo had no time to react to the fact that Gollum had divested him of not only his finger, but also the Ring. Since PJ drew out the climax of the story here, that would present the obvious problem of what to do with our now nine-fingered hobbit for all that time. I begin to wonder if the only reason Frodo <I>didn't</I> attack Gollum in the book is because Gollum fell into the Cracks so quickly and Frodo just didn't have time to recover. So, I'm thinking this is a result of movie time dilation, a thinking through of "what ifs."<P>Cheers!<BR>Lyta<P>P.S. Glad you found the other thread enlightening, <B>Sleeping Beauty</B>! I shall have to revisit it soon myself, when I have the strength! __________________ “…she laid herself to rest upon Cerin Amroth; and there is her green grave, until the world is changed, and all the days of her life are utterly forgotten by men that come after, and elanor and niphredil bloom no more east of the Sea.”