Hidden Gollum - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

tom bombariffic · 11-19-2002, 04:58 AM

OK has anyone else noticed the shot of Gollum spying on the fellowship in the 1st LOTR film as they are riding down the anduin and go past the big white statues...well, on the eyelid of the left hand statue as they go past, loads of birds suddenly fly off and you can see a small, gollum-shaped creature crouching there. well, thats it. Bombariffic

Iargwath · 11-19-2002, 05:36 AM

Yeah i was looking for that. I heard about it and i was looking out for it in the Extended DVD. I didnt see it though. Does it appear in the Extended version? Or does it only appear in the normal one?

tom bombariffic · 11-19-2002, 06:43 AM

I'm not sure, Im afraid I dont have the DVD, and i saw it a while ago so I cant remember. But I can find out if you like. I think its just on the normal video, but Im not sure. Sorry!

Birdland · 11-19-2002, 07:52 AM

I saw "something" on the eyelid of the Arganoth, but I assumed it was just the bird's nest. I did just discover the "zoom" feature on my DVD player. I suppose I should zoom in and see if that really is suppose to be Gollum.

tom bombariffic · 11-19-2002, 08:01 AM

That may be an Idea - I actually didnt notice it until someone told me about it. Please tell me what you see, Id be interested to know

Arwen Melian · 11-19-2002, 07:15 PM

As I have mentioned in a previous thread Gollum is not on the bird's nest itself..he's on another part of the eye..resting on the lower lid...nearby

Kalimac · 11-19-2002, 10:38 PM

Wow, hadn't noticed that; will have to look out for it next time. Just out of curiosity; why would Gollum climb so high? It would be an awful lot of work and he could paddle along in the river much more comfortably.

Birdland · 11-20-2002, 12:28 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Just out of curiosity; why would Gollum climb so high? It would be an awful lot of work and he could paddle along in the river much more comfortably.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> 'Cause it's cool.

GreyIstar · 11-20-2002, 01:05 AM

I will have to check that out sometime. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Wow, hadn't noticed that; will have to look out for it next time. Just out of curiosity; why would Gollum climb so high? It would be an awful lot of work and he could paddle along in the river much more comfortably. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I have an answer to that. In the book Gollum is seen following the fellowship and gets real close one night as they are laying on the shore and is almost caught by Aragorn. After which everyone is especially on the look out for him but he cannot be seen.Tolkien expressly writes more than once I believe that if Gollum is still following them he was very "wary and cunning" Well thats a pretty cunning take on why the fellowship didn't see him again because obviously he is still following.[ November 20, 2002: Message edited by: GreyIstar ][ November 20, 2002: Message edited by: GreyIstar ]

tom bombariffic · 11-20-2002, 09:51 AM

Yeah, and also from such a high point he could see a long way into the distance while hardly moving, then catch up with the fellowship at night, when he couldnt be seen, wheras if he had been in the river or at ground level, he would have had to keep moving so as not to lose sight of them, and would stand more chance of being seen.It really makes you wonder what other things they put in that you havent noticed, dosent it?Bombariffic

Arwen1858 · 11-20-2002, 01:14 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> It really makes you wonder what other things they put in that you havent noticed, doesn't it? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Very much so! That gives me something else to do now while I wait for the release of TTT! I'll look and see what else is hidden in the movie You know about the PJ cameo, right? Arwen

Rose Cotton · 11-20-2002, 03:41 PM

Ya, PJ is the guy with the carrot.

Peregrin Boffin · 11-20-2002, 09:34 PM

After seeing the extended version I can't believe that Gollum is on the Argonath. It is clearly shown that he is behind the fellowship when following them down the Anduin.Also, Gollum doesn't like sunlight. Wouldn't being on the Argonath would expose him to sunlight easier?

thorondil · 11-20-2002, 10:14 PM

After reading this thread, I went back and looked a couple of times and still haven't seen gollum.Could you be more specific? Which shot of the Argonath? Is it the same shot when the birds take off from the eyelid? Exactly where on the statue is he?Thanks.

tom bombariffic · 11-21-2002, 09:58 AM

Read Arwen Melian's comment...As I have mentioned in a previous thread Gollum is not on the bird's nest itself..he's on another part of the eye..resting on the lower lid...nearbyI dont have a copy of the video or DVD but I have seen it...it is a tiny shot of him, and he is not behind the birds, he is on the lower lid

Fool-of-a-Took · 11-26-2002, 12:49 PM

I've zoomed in to x16 on my tv and there is no Gollum. Are you the same person who said there was a car in the distance?

TealDude3 · 11-26-2002, 01:30 PM

Maybe this is turning out to be one of those hidden movie urban legends never to be resolved, like the "Wizard of Oz Suicidel Midget" urban legend. Everyone has heard of it but after nearly half a century has never been proven.

dragoneyes · 11-26-2002, 01:42 PM

That car in the distance... that could've been a car but as far as you could see on the DVD it's a ball of dust, it could be a very fast horse adn cart (That is, if you're talking about the 'this is the farthest I've ever been from home' scene)

Galadrie1 · 11-26-2002, 04:26 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> the "Wizard of Oz Suicidel Midget" urban legend. Everyone has heard of it <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I haven't heard of it... Does one of the munchkins jump off a roof or something? Anyway, I'll have to look for Gollum sometime. It seems pretty strange that some people see him on the Argonath but some people don't.... Hmmm....[ November 26, 2002: Message edited by: Galadrie1 ]

thorondil · 11-26-2002, 04:51 PM

Fool-of-a-Took says: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I've zoomed in to x16 on my tv and there is no Gollum <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I tend to agree...I've looked more than once (with lots of frame-by-frame scrutinizing) and I don't see gollum on the Argonath.

Arwen Melian · 11-26-2002, 05:54 PM

Gollum is the little black scrawny thing( but when you see him the area is kind of dark.) If not then maybe you guys should run away because we are seing things and we're crazy! (..sarcasm...) p.s. my pm is up and im ticked that they closed downs the love on the downs thread!Sigh....

VanimaEdhel · 11-26-2002, 06:39 PM

If it was in any of the footage, you would see it in the Extended Version, because all of the old mistakes are left in! In my VHS version, they took the car out of the background in the cornfield, but in the DVD, it's still there...all of those old mistakes are back in (which makes it quite amusing). So, if Smeagol was there, you would see it!

Arwen Melian · 11-26-2002, 06:41 PM

Ok..it's official the rest of us are crazy!

Galadrie1 · 11-26-2002, 09:22 PM

About the car in the cornfield, I have the Extended DVD and I still can't find it! What shot is it in, and where on the screen can I see it?

-Imrahil- · 11-26-2002, 09:24 PM

I believe I saw him. And as to the car in the cornfield its not on the extended edition to my knowledge.

Aragorn_the_Ranger · 11-26-2002, 10:34 PM

Gollum is in the SE DVD, the normal DVD and even the cinema version of FotR. You have to watch carefully as it only shows him on the eye for a little bit, AND it is on the bit with the birds nest...even though the birds nest IS Gollum. The birds are scared by him and fly and that is when you actually see Gillum peer over the edge. And there is a car in the cinema version, it is not in the SE DVD or the normal DVD though, but you can see it in the national Geographic DVD that you get in the SE DVD box set. It is at the scene where Samwise says "...farthest away from" and it is not the dust that we are looking at. People get confused and say that is a chimminey, others say that it is a car leaving smoke. WRONG...IT IS A CHIMMINY. Look behind the smoke, up the top right hand corner (note..you can only see this on the National Geographic DVD). You will see a small dot moving across a hill and then a bright glare as the sun hits the windscreen.Keep looking out for it...don't look at the smoke, look behind and up a little bit.Well...that's all I've got. Oh and I've also heard that in Isenguard, you can see a tree with closed eyes. Hurons hopefully!! But I am still uncertain where this bit is.Well cya,Jarryd

TealDude3 · 11-27-2002, 03:42 PM

Here's something I bet you never noticed. After Aragorn kills Lurtz and runs towards Borimier, Viggo almost kicks a dead Orc's head. You can see the dead orc duck his head and another orc right beside the other one rises his head and looks at Viggo. Its hilarious.

Birdland · 11-27-2002, 04:31 PM

P.J., in the Director's commentary, mentions the car rumor. He claims he has looked and looked and sees no car. (I guess he would know, he edited the thing.)The jury is still out at Birdie's house regarding the bird's nest/gollum question. I did a google search for "gollum arganoth and got no matches, so it seems that we have sole rights to this rumor here at the Downs.Yes, you can see the two orcs moving very clearly. I'm gonna put it down to death throes, myself. I'm gonna look for that Huron!

Birdland · 12-10-2002, 01:28 PM

From the mouth of P.J. himself, (in the Director's Commentary):"Theer's a lettle berdsnest in the aye."Since P.J. and Fran made numerous references in the commentary to the "Legends and Rumors" that have popped up about errors and hidden moments in the film, I'm sure he would have pointed out Gollum if he had been there.So no Gollum. Just birds. Nice birdsssss...

11-19-2002, 04:58 AM	#1
tom bombariffic Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In the house of Tom Bombariffic Posts: 196	Hidden Gollum OK has anyone else noticed the shot of Gollum spying on the fellowship in the 1st LOTR film as they are riding down the anduin and go past the big white statues...well, on the eyelid of the left hand statue as they go past, loads of birds suddenly fly off and you can see a small, gollum-shaped creature crouching there. <BR>well, thats it.<BR>Bombariffic __________________ The 'hum' generated by an electric car is not in fact the noise of the engine, but that of the driver's self-righteousness oscillating at a high frequency.

11-19-2002, 05:36 AM	#2
Iargwath Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 236	Yeah i was looking for that. I heard about it and i was looking out for it in the Extended DVD. I didnt see it though. Does it appear in the Extended version? Or does it only appear in the normal one? __________________ 'I waited patiently for the Lord; and He inclined to me, and heard my cry'-Psalm 40 My M-e Forum

11-19-2002, 06:43 AM	#3
tom bombariffic Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In the house of Tom Bombariffic Posts: 196	I'm not sure, Im afraid I dont have the DVD, and i saw it a while ago so I cant remember. But I can find out if you like. I think its just on the normal video, but Im not sure.<BR>Sorry! __________________ The 'hum' generated by an electric car is not in fact the noise of the engine, but that of the driver's self-righteousness oscillating at a high frequency.

11-19-2002, 07:52 AM	#4
Birdland Ghastly Neekerbreeker Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the banks of the mighty Scioto Posts: 1,751	I saw "something" on the eyelid of the Arganoth, but I assumed it was just the bird's nest. <P>I did just discover the "zoom" feature on my DVD player. I suppose I should zoom in and see if that really is suppose to be Gollum.

11-19-2002, 08:01 AM	#5
tom bombariffic Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In the house of Tom Bombariffic Posts: 196	That may be an Idea - I actually didnt notice it until someone told me about it. Please tell me what you see, Id be interested to know __________________ The 'hum' generated by an electric car is not in fact the noise of the engine, but that of the driver's self-righteousness oscillating at a high frequency.

11-19-2002, 07:15 PM	#6
Arwen Melian Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sometimes Imladris....sometimes Mirkwood...other times ....Lothlorien Posts: 141	As I have mentioned in a previous thread Gollum is not on the bird's nest itself..he's on another part of the eye..resting on the lower lid...nearby __________________ Maiden of Rivendell "Anything to get away from the evil monkey in my bedroom." Fine! I admit it. I am a supporter of Agent Elrond. Now would you please leave me be?

11-19-2002, 10:38 PM	#7
Kalimac Candle of the Marshes Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Flyover Country Posts: 780	Wow, hadn't noticed that; will have to look out for it next time. Just out of curiosity; why would Gollum climb so high? It would be an awful lot of work and he could paddle along in the river much more comfortably. __________________ Father, dear Father, if you see fit, We'll send my love to college for one year yet Tie blue ribbons all about his head, To let the ladies know that he's married.

11-20-2002, 12:28 AM	#8
Birdland Ghastly Neekerbreeker Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the banks of the mighty Scioto Posts: 1,751	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Just out of curiosity; why would Gollum climb so high? It would be an awful lot of work and he could paddle along in the river much more comfortably.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>'Cause it's cool.

11-20-2002, 01:05 AM	#9
GreyIstar Wight Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Dallas Posts: 116	I will have to check that out sometime.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Wow, hadn't noticed that; will have to look out for it next time. Just out of curiosity; why would Gollum climb so high? It would be an awful lot of work and he could paddle along in the river much more comfortably. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I have an answer to that. In the book Gollum is seen following the fellowship and gets real close one night as they are laying on the shore and is almost caught by Aragorn. After which everyone is especially on the look out for him but he cannot be seen.<P>Tolkien expressly writes more than once I believe that if Gollum is still following them he was very "wary and cunning" <P>Well thats a pretty cunning take on why the fellowship didn't see him again because obviously he is still following.<P>[ November 20, 2002: Message edited by: GreyIstar ]<p>[ November 20, 2002: Message edited by: GreyIstar ] __________________ Keeper of the site Ring Lord. "Dangerous!" cried Gandalf. "And so am I, very dangerous: more dangerous than anything you will ever meet, unless you are brought alive before the seat of the Dark Lord."

11-20-2002, 09:51 AM	#10
tom bombariffic Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In the house of Tom Bombariffic Posts: 196	Yeah, and also from such a high point he could see a long way into the distance while hardly moving, then catch up with the fellowship at night, when he couldnt be seen, wheras if he had been in the river or at ground level, he would have had to keep moving so as not to lose sight of them, and would stand more chance of being seen.<P>It really makes you wonder what other things they put in that you havent noticed, dosent it?<P>Bombariffic __________________ The 'hum' generated by an electric car is not in fact the noise of the engine, but that of the driver's self-righteousness oscillating at a high frequency.

11-20-2002, 01:14 PM	#11
Arwen1858 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Gondor Posts: 516	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> It really makes you wonder what other things they put in that you havent noticed, doesn't it? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Very much so! That gives me something else to do now while I wait for the release of TTT! I'll look and see what else is hidden in the movie You know about the PJ cameo, right?<BR>Arwen __________________ Will Turner: "This is either madness or brilliance." Jack Sparrow: "It's remarkable how often those two traits coincide." ~ Pirates of the Caribbean

11-20-2002, 03:41 PM	#12
Rose Cotton Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: A place worse then Mordor........School! Posts: 1,075	Ya, PJ is the guy with the carrot.<BR> __________________ "There's nothing you can do, Harry... nothing... he's gone."-Remus Lupin "The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm."-Pippin (now how can you argue with that logic?)

11-20-2002, 09:34 PM	#13
Peregrin Boffin Pile O'Bones Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HOME VII Posts: 13	After seeing the extended version I can't believe that Gollum is on the Argonath. It is clearly shown that he is behind the fellowship when following them down the Anduin.<P>Also, Gollum doesn't like sunlight. Wouldn't being on the Argonath would expose him to sunlight easier?

11-20-2002, 10:14 PM	#14
thorondil Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 53	After reading this thread, I went back and looked a couple of times and still haven't seen gollum.<P>Could you be more specific? Which shot of the Argonath? Is it the same shot when the birds take off from the eyelid? Exactly where on the statue is he?<P>Thanks. __________________ only that Part from which he came

11-21-2002, 09:58 AM	#15
tom bombariffic Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In the house of Tom Bombariffic Posts: 196	Read Arwen Melian's comment...<P>As I have mentioned in a previous thread Gollum is not on the bird's nest itself..he's on another part of the eye..resting on the lower lid...nearby<P>I dont have a copy of the video or DVD but I have seen it...it is a tiny shot of him, and he is not behind the birds, he is on the lower lid __________________ The 'hum' generated by an electric car is not in fact the noise of the engine, but that of the driver's self-righteousness oscillating at a high frequency.

11-26-2002, 12:49 PM	#16
Fool-of-a-Took Pile O'Bones Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Newcastle England Posts: 14	I've zoomed in to x16 on my tv and there is no Gollum. Are you the same person who said there was a car in the distance? __________________ ...and his eye, piercing all shadows, looked across the plain to the door that he had made;and the magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a blinding flash.

11-26-2002, 01:30 PM	#17
TealDude3 Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Bebop Posts: 138	Maybe this is turning out to be one of those hidden movie urban legends never to be resolved, like the "Wizard of Oz Suicidel Midget" urban legend. Everyone has heard of it but after nearly half a century has never been proven. __________________ I'm so hungry, I could eat at Arby's.

11-26-2002, 01:42 PM	#18
dragoneyes Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Completely lost track, sorry! Posts: 733	That car in the distance... that could've been a car but as far as you could see on the DVD it's a ball of dust, it could be a very fast horse adn cart (That is, if you're talking about the 'this is the farthest I've ever been from home' scene) __________________ "We might succeed in roasting Pippin alive inside." - Frodo.

11-26-2002, 04:26 PM	#19
Galadrie1 Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The wrong place at the wrong time. Posts: 385	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> the "Wizard of Oz Suicidel Midget" urban legend. Everyone has heard of it <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I haven't heard of it... Does one of the munchkins jump off a roof or something?<BR>Anyway, I'll have to look for Gollum sometime. It seems pretty strange that some people see him on the Argonath but some people don't.... Hmmm....<p>[ November 26, 2002: Message edited by: Galadrie1 ] __________________ "For this is what your folk would call magic, I believe; though I do not understand clearly what they mean; and they seem to use the same word of the deceits of the Enemy. But this, if you will, is the magic of Galadriel."

11-26-2002, 04:51 PM	#20
thorondil Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 53	Fool-of-a-Took says:<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I've zoomed in to x16 on my tv and there is no Gollum <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I tend to agree...I've looked more than once (with lots of frame-by-frame scrutinizing) and I don't see gollum on the Argonath. __________________ only that Part from which he came

11-26-2002, 05:54 PM	#21
Arwen Melian Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sometimes Imladris....sometimes Mirkwood...other times ....Lothlorien Posts: 141	Gollum is the little black scrawny thing( but when you see him the area is kind of dark.) If not then maybe you guys should run away because we are seing things and we're crazy! (..sarcasm...) p.s. my pm is up and im ticked that they closed downs the love on the downs thread!Sigh.... __________________ Maiden of Rivendell "Anything to get away from the evil monkey in my bedroom." Fine! I admit it. I am a supporter of Agent Elrond. Now would you please leave me be?

11-26-2002, 06:39 PM	#22
VanimaEdhel Etheral Enchantress Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wellesley College! Posts: 1,461	If it was in any of the footage, you would see it in the Extended Version, because all of the old mistakes are left in! In my VHS version, they took the car out of the background in the cornfield, but in the DVD, it's still there...all of those old mistakes are back in (which makes it quite amusing). So, if Smeagol was there, you would see it! __________________ "I think we dream so we don't have to be apart so long. If we're in each others dreams, we can be together all the time." - Hobbes of Calvin and Hobbes

11-26-2002, 06:41 PM	#23
Arwen Melian Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sometimes Imladris....sometimes Mirkwood...other times ....Lothlorien Posts: 141	Ok..it's official the rest of us are crazy! __________________ Maiden of Rivendell "Anything to get away from the evil monkey in my bedroom." Fine! I admit it. I am a supporter of Agent Elrond. Now would you please leave me be?

11-26-2002, 09:22 PM	#24
Galadrie1 Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The wrong place at the wrong time. Posts: 385	About the car in the cornfield, I have the Extended DVD and I still can't find it! What shot is it in, and where on the screen can I see it? __________________ "For this is what your folk would call magic, I believe; though I do not understand clearly what they mean; and they seem to use the same word of the deceits of the Enemy. But this, if you will, is the magic of Galadriel."

11-26-2002, 09:24 PM	#25
-Imrahil- Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dol Amroth, upon the Bay of Belfalas Posts: 259	I believe I saw him. And as to the car in the cornfield its not on the extended edition to my knowledge. __________________ My body is broken. I go to my fathers. And even in their mighty company I shall not now be ashamed. I felled the black serpent. A grim morn, and a glad day, and a golden sunset!

11-26-2002, 10:34 PM	#26
Aragorn_the_Ranger Haunting Spirit Join Date: May 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 70	Gollum is in the SE DVD, the normal DVD and even the cinema version of FotR. You have to watch carefully as it only shows him on the eye for a little bit, AND it is on the bit with the birds nest...even though the birds nest IS Gollum. The birds are scared by him and fly and that is when you actually see Gillum peer over the edge.<BR>And there is a car in the cinema version, it is not in the SE DVD or the normal DVD though, but you can see it in the national Geographic DVD that you get in the SE DVD box set. <BR>It is at the scene where Samwise says "...farthest away from" and it is not the dust that we are looking at. People get confused and say that is a chimminey, others say that it is a car leaving smoke. WRONG...IT IS A CHIMMINY.<BR>Look behind the smoke, up the top right hand corner (note..you can only see this on the National Geographic DVD). You will see a small dot moving across a hill and then a bright glare as the sun hits the windscreen.<P>Keep looking out for it...don't look at the smoke, look behind and up a little bit.<P>Well...that's all I've got. Oh and I've also heard that in Isenguard, you can see a tree with closed eyes. Hurons hopefully!! But I am still uncertain where this bit is.<P>Well cya,<P>Jarryd

11-27-2002, 03:42 PM	#27
TealDude3 Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Bebop Posts: 138	Here's something I bet you never noticed. After Aragorn kills Lurtz and runs towards Borimier, Viggo almost kicks a dead Orc's head. You can see the dead orc duck his head and another orc right beside the other one rises his head and looks at Viggo. Its hilarious. __________________ I'm so hungry, I could eat at Arby's.

11-27-2002, 04:31 PM	#28
Birdland Ghastly Neekerbreeker Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the banks of the mighty Scioto Posts: 1,751	P.J., in the Director's commentary, mentions the car rumor. He claims he has looked and looked and sees no car. (I guess he would know, he edited the thing.)<P>The jury is still out at Birdie's house regarding the bird's nest/gollum question. I did a google search for "gollum arganoth and got no matches, so it seems that we have sole rights to this rumor here at the Downs.<P>Yes, you can see the two orcs moving very clearly. I'm gonna put it down to death throes, myself. <P>I'm gonna look for that Huron!

12-10-2002, 01:28 PM	#29
Birdland Ghastly Neekerbreeker Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the banks of the mighty Scioto Posts: 1,751	From the mouth of P.J. himself, (in the Director's Commentary):<P>"Theer's a lettle berdsnest in the aye."<P>Since P.J. and Fran made numerous references in the commentary to the "Legends and Rumors" that have popped up about errors and hidden moments in the film, I'm sure he would have pointed out Gollum if he had been there.<P>So no Gollum. Just birds. Nice birdsssss...