Where does Legolas get his arrows from? (Helm's Deep) - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Gil Galad · 01-22-2004, 08:07 PM

Alright at the Battle of the Hornburg, when Theoden calls the order to retreat, you see Legolas and another elf pulling Gimli out (that was funny) you notice that legolas has no arrows in his quiver, yet when he gets to the tower he pulls out an arrow FROM a fully loaded quiver, when he shoots the rope causing the giant ladder to fall, Where did he get those arrows???????

Calenamarthiel · 01-22-2004, 08:49 PM

In the book there are some lines from Legolas saying that he has to collect arrows, because all of his are spent. I can't recall the exact lines, but they were something to that effect. This usually happened during a lull in the battle, but since the movie didn't show any of those (time constraints, as usual), then it looked like Legolas had renewable arrows. Hope this helps.

Silmiel of Imladris · 01-22-2004, 08:55 PM

The video game has a cheat code to keep renewing his arrows, maybe he has something like that.

Elassar 516 · 01-22-2004, 08:56 PM

Didn't you read the memo? Legolas is perfect, that means he can do impossible stunts (like singlehandedly bringing down a mûmak) and in addition he never runs out of arrows. Sarcasm aside though, maybe he was supposed to go looking for more arrows and then they decided to cut that part out, or they just figured it wasn't important and that nobody would notice. Personally I think they totaly screwed up his character in the movies.

Gil Galad · 01-22-2004, 08:59 PM

Possibly but it is still weird though.

Silmiel of Imladris · 01-22-2004, 09:09 PM

One of my friends and I were talking about something similar. I asked why Legolas had a saddle and bridle on his horse when in the book he didn't use one. My friend gave a simple explaination, "He is an Elf, he can do whatever the hell he wants." Thats a good enough reason for me where the movies are concerned.

Knight of Gondor · 01-22-2004, 10:00 PM

I would guess Legolas could have easily grabbed a handful of arrows from a store that was against the walls -- no doubt they had many.As for the horse harnesses, it was a little disappointing that Legolas had a saddle, but even more disappointing was the way Gandalf was never shown getting up on Shadowfax...OR the fact that you could at times see the saddle underneath his robes.

Imladris · 01-22-2004, 10:21 PM

Personally, I can't imagine trying to see an elf collecting arrows in the middle of an exciting action sequence. Totally unreal for a movie. It would disrupt the entire flow of the sequence. But aside from that, he probably did it just like he did it in the books: grabbed them from corpses. PJ just didn't show it.As for the saddle: there are safety issues in riding bareback. Especially for one as old as Ian McKellan. Also, it's not as if Legolas's horse was an elvish horse: he got it from the Rohirrim and though in the books he took them off, it would have disrupted the mood probably. Remember, it's a movie not a book.

Silmiel of Imladris · 01-22-2004, 10:33 PM

It probably wasn't much of a saddle on Shadowfax anyway. Most likely a bareback pad which is pretty much just a cloth saddle pad with stirups attached.

Lord of Angmar · 01-22-2004, 10:49 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>pretty much just a cloth saddle pad with stirups attached.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Sounds like a regular saddle to me.

Silmiel of Imladris · 01-22-2004, 11:02 PM

Nope not even close. A regular saddle is stiff with a tree (frame) made of wood and usually covered with leather. It is made to give support. The saddle is held on the horse by the sinch. The bare back pads I have seen are the sheeps wool looking type cloth with a little stuffing and foam with stirups attached and it has no sinch. It just sets on the horse's back and you hold it on with your own body weight. All this pad helps with is comfort and maybe a little balance. Ahhh... I have gone rambling again. You just had to start me Angmar. Just a quick lesson in saddles to keep my fellow Downers informed.[ 12:02 AM January 23, 2004: Message edited by: Silmiel of Imladris ]

Gashberz · 01-22-2004, 11:38 PM

His butt

Finwe · 01-23-2004, 11:36 AM

I suppose they felt that they had to somehow stick to the books. I agree, they didn't put an "official" saddle on Shadowfax, but they rigged up the sort of blanket-type thing so that Sir Ian would be able to gallop on the horse without sliding a lot. Only an experienced horseman would have been able to ride bareback and fight the way that he did.

**The Saucepan Man** · 01-23-2004, 08:33 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> In the book there are some lines from Legolas saying that he has to collect arrows, because all of his are spent. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Precisely. Do we really have to have everything spelled out for us in the films, or is there perhaps some scope for us to use our imagination?

01-22-2004, 08:07 PM	#1
Gil Galad Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: hmm... good question.... Posts: 58	Where does Legolas get his arrows from? (Helm's Deep) Alright at the Battle of the Hornburg, when Theoden calls the order to retreat, you see Legolas and another elf pulling Gimli out (that was funny) you notice that legolas has no arrows in his quiver, yet when he gets to the tower he pulls out an arrow FROM a fully loaded quiver, when he shoots the rope causing the giant ladder to fall, Where did he get those arrows??????? __________________ A red sun rises... blood has been spilt this night.- Legolas TTT Certainty of death, small chance of success... what are we waiting for?- Gimli ROTK

01-22-2004, 08:49 PM	#2
Calenamarthiel Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Philippines Posts: 24	In the book there are some lines from Legolas saying that he has to collect arrows, because all of his are spent. I can't recall the exact lines, but they were something to that effect. This usually happened during a lull in the battle, but since the movie didn't show any of those (time constraints, as usual), then it looked like Legolas had renewable arrows. Hope this helps. __________________ "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost."

01-22-2004, 08:55 PM	#3
Silmiel of Imladris Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Looking into a crystal ball- still see nothing Posts: 395	The video game has a cheat code to keep renewing his arrows, maybe he has something like that. __________________ Legolas 20 ales later: I feel something, a slight tingling in my fingers. I think it's affecting me. Figwit on his name: Are you suggesting that I have the wit of a fig?

01-22-2004, 08:56 PM	#4
Elassar 516 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sailing into the West...I wish Posts: 58	Didn't you read the memo? Legolas is perfect, that means he can do impossible stunts (like singlehandedly bringing down a mûmak) and in addition he <I>never</I> runs out of arrows. Sarcasm aside though, maybe he was supposed to go looking for more arrows and then they decided to cut that part out, or they just figured it wasn't important and that nobody would notice. Personally I think they totaly screwed up his character in the movies.

01-22-2004, 08:59 PM	#5
Gil Galad Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: hmm... good question.... Posts: 58	Possibly but it is still weird though. __________________ A red sun rises... blood has been spilt this night.- Legolas TTT Certainty of death, small chance of success... what are we waiting for?- Gimli ROTK

01-22-2004, 09:09 PM	#6
Silmiel of Imladris Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Looking into a crystal ball- still see nothing Posts: 395	One of my friends and I were talking about something similar. I asked why Legolas had a saddle and bridle on his horse when in the book he didn't use one. My friend gave a simple explaination, "He is an Elf, he can do whatever the hell he wants." Thats a good enough reason for me where the movies are concerned. __________________ Legolas 20 ales later: I feel something, a slight tingling in my fingers. I think it's affecting me. Figwit on his name: Are you suggesting that I have the wit of a fig?

01-22-2004, 10:00 PM	#7
Knight of Gondor Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 744	I would guess Legolas could have easily grabbed a handful of arrows from a store that was against the walls -- no doubt they had many.<P>As for the horse harnesses, it was a little disappointing that Legolas had a saddle, but even more disappointing was the way Gandalf was never shown getting up on Shadowfax...OR the fact that you could at times see the saddle underneath his robes. __________________ Eagerly awaiting the REAL Return of the King - Jesus Christ! Revelation 19:11-16

01-22-2004, 10:21 PM	#8
Imladris Tears of the Phoenix Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Putting dimes in the jukebox baby. Posts: 1,453	Personally, I can't imagine trying to see an elf collecting arrows in the middle of an exciting action sequence. Totally unreal for a movie. It would disrupt the entire flow of the sequence. But aside from that, he probably did it just like he did it in the books: grabbed them from corpses. PJ just didn't show it.<P>As for the saddle: there are safety issues in riding bareback. Especially for one as old as Ian McKellan. Also, it's not as if Legolas's horse was an elvish horse: he got it from the Rohirrim and though in the books he took them off, it would have disrupted the mood probably. Remember, it's a movie not a book. __________________ I'm sorry it wasn't a unicorn. It would have been nice to have unicorns. I'm your huckleberry.

01-22-2004, 10:33 PM	#9
Silmiel of Imladris Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Looking into a crystal ball- still see nothing Posts: 395	It probably wasn't much of a saddle on Shadowfax anyway. Most likely a bareback pad which is pretty much just a cloth saddle pad with stirups attached. __________________ Legolas 20 ales later: I feel something, a slight tingling in my fingers. I think it's affecting me. Figwit on his name: Are you suggesting that I have the wit of a fig?

01-22-2004, 10:49 PM	#10
Lord of Angmar Tyrannus Incorporalis Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: the North Posts: 833	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>pretty much just a cloth saddle pad with stirups attached.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Sounds like a regular saddle to me. __________________ ...where the instrument of intelligence is added to brute power and evil will, mankind is powerless in its own defence.

01-22-2004, 11:02 PM	#11
Silmiel of Imladris Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Looking into a crystal ball- still see nothing Posts: 395	Nope not even close. A regular saddle is stiff with a tree (frame) made of wood and usually covered with leather. It is made to give support. The saddle is held on the horse by the sinch. The bare back pads I have seen are the sheeps wool looking type cloth with a little stuffing and foam with stirups attached and it has no sinch. It just sets on the horse's back and you hold it on with your own body weight. All this pad helps with is comfort and maybe a little balance. Ahhh... I have gone rambling again. You just had to start me Angmar. Just a quick lesson in saddles to keep my fellow Downers informed.<p>[ 12:02 AM January 23, 2004: Message edited by: Silmiel of Imladris ] __________________ Legolas 20 ales later: I feel something, a slight tingling in my fingers. I think it's affecting me. Figwit on his name: Are you suggesting that I have the wit of a fig?

01-22-2004, 11:38 PM	#12
Gashberz Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: San Diego, U.S.A Posts: 57	His butt __________________ "We are the fighting Uruk-hai! We slew the great warrior. We took the prisoners. We are the servants of Saruman the Wise, the White Hand: the Hand that gives us man´s flesh to eat!" -Uglúk

01-23-2004, 11:36 AM	#13
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	I suppose they felt that they had to somehow stick to the books. I agree, they didn't put an "official" saddle on Shadowfax, but they rigged up the sort of blanket-type thing so that Sir Ian would be able to gallop on the horse without sliding a lot. Only an experienced horseman would have been able to ride bareback and fight the way that he did. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

01-23-2004, 08:33 PM	#14
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> In the book there are some lines from Legolas saying that he has to collect arrows, because all of his are spent. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Precisely. Do we really have to have <I>everything</I> spelled out for us in the films, or is there perhaps some scope for us to use our imagination? __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!