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Aragost · 01-15-2003, 09:26 PM

How did Melkor create the dragons?
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Iarwain · 01-15-2003, 09:29 PM

Indirect, but true. The dragons were his "mockery" of eagles, just as the orcs were of elves, and the trolls of ents. I suppose all of these go together.

Iarwain

Raefindel · 01-15-2003, 09:38 PM

this is from The Tolkien Companion;

Quote:

It has been said that the whole race of Dragon-kind was lured into evil ways by Morgoth the Enemy long before the Elder Days had passed.

[ January 15, 2003: Message edited by: Raefindel ]

burrahobbit · 01-15-2003, 10:40 PM

Nope and nope. The correct answer is "magic."

Deathwail · 01-15-2003, 11:04 PM

In the Sil Dragons are first call the Fire Drakes of the North so it may be there was always large lizards and Melkor had only to give Glaurung some of his spirt like he did to Carcharoth the Werewolf to have in the end after Glaurung grew what we see as Dragons later in the story.Meklor by the War of Wrath was weakend by putting so much of himself into his fellbeasts that all he could do is hide and run as the Valar entered Angband.Would have to think much of this went to the Dragons as they where by far his most mighty work.Ancalagon the black fought a full day and night against the host of the Valar so its safe to say this was one very very bad *** Dragon and would of riped Middle Earth a new *** had Earendil and the Valar not struck Thangorodrim when they did.

burrahobbit · 01-16-2003, 02:45 AM

Kind of. Maybe not.

Inderjit Sanghera · 01-16-2003, 03:01 AM

Raefindel-Tolkien companions are often wrong and misguiding.I can't remeber reading how he created them, though BoLT has some intresting theories. Some were said to be mechanic.

Deathwail · 01-16-2003, 03:16 AM

Sil page 289 ";and he gathered again under his government all the evil things of the days of Morgoth that remained on earth or beneath it," seeing that Sauron didnt get the Balrog of Moria or the other Balrogs that fled Angband to the deep places of the earth and no dragons came to his aid either i think its safe to say Dragons such as Balrogs worked WITH Meklor and where not just servants or creatures twisted from simple life like the Orcs or most likely the Trolls or they would of came to Saurons summons to the tower of Barad-dur.And this from the Unfinished Tales page 128 "For i do not believe that this Dragon is unconquerable,though he grows greater in strength and malice with the years.i know somewhat of him.His power is rather in the evil spirit that dwells within him than in the might of his body." Thats Turin talking about Glaurung and it does not sound like the spirit he speaks of is the dragons but one placed into it.

[ January 16, 2003: Message edited by: Deathwail ]

01-15-2003, 09:26 PM	#1
Aragost Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Arthedain Posts: 137	The Dragons of Melkor How did Melkor create the dragons? [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] __________________ Where there's a whip there's a will

01-15-2003, 09:29 PM	#2
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 800	Indirect, but true. The dragons were his "mockery" of eagles, just as the orcs were of elves, and the trolls of ents. I suppose all of these go together. Iarwain __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

01-15-2003, 10:40 PM	#4
burrahobbit Hidden Spirit Join Date: May 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,424	Nope and nope. The correct answer is "magic." __________________ What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?

01-15-2003, 11:04 PM	#5
Deathwail Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Door of Night Posts: 99	In the Sil Dragons are first call the Fire Drakes of the North so it may be there was always large lizards and Melkor had only to give Glaurung some of his spirt like he did to Carcharoth the Werewolf to have in the end after Glaurung grew what we see as Dragons later in the story.Meklor by the War of Wrath was weakend by putting so much of himself into his fellbeasts that all he could do is hide and run as the Valar entered Angband.Would have to think much of this went to the Dragons as they where by far his most mighty work.Ancalagon the black fought a full day and night against the host of the Valar so its safe to say this was one very very bad * Dragon and would of riped Middle Earth a new * had Earendil and the Valar not struck Thangorodrim when they did. __________________ He who arises in Might.

01-16-2003, 02:45 AM	#6
burrahobbit Hidden Spirit Join Date: May 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,424	Kind of. Maybe not. __________________ What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?

01-16-2003, 03:01 AM	#7
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	Raefindel-Tolkien companions are often wrong and misguiding.I can't remeber reading how he created them, though BoLT has some intresting theories. Some were said to be mechanic. __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

01-16-2003, 03:16 AM	#8
Deathwail Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Door of Night Posts: 99	Sil page 289 ";and he gathered again under his government all the evil things of the days of Morgoth that remained on earth or beneath it," seeing that Sauron didnt get the Balrog of Moria or the other Balrogs that fled Angband to the deep places of the earth and no dragons came to his aid either i think its safe to say Dragons such as Balrogs worked WITH Meklor and where not just servants or creatures twisted from simple life like the Orcs or most likely the Trolls or they would of came to Saurons summons to the tower of Barad-dur.And this from the Unfinished Tales page 128 "For i do not believe that this Dragon is unconquerable,though he grows greater in strength and malice with the years.i know somewhat of him.His power is rather in the evil spirit that dwells within him than in the might of his body." Thats Turin talking about Glaurung and it does not sound like the spirit he speaks of is the dragons but one placed into it. [ January 16, 2003: Message edited by: Deathwail ] __________________ He who arises in Might.