Was Smaug the last of all Dragons that lived in Arda? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Belegheru · 07-14-2001, 10:25 AM

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Was he?

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Fingolfin · 07-15-2001, 07:44 AM

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<blockquote>Quote:<hr> So the rumour of the wealth of Erebor spread abroad and reached the ears of the dragons, and at last Smaug the Golden, greatest of the dragons of his day, arose and without warning came against King Thror and descended on the Mountain in flames. (lotr Appendix A)<hr></blockquote>

Prbably not but he was the last of the "great dragons" let me see if I can find the quote...

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Inziladun · 07-16-2001, 05:25 AM

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There were apparently at least some left after Smaug's death. Gandalf said to Frodo in FoTR:

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> It has been said that dragon-fire could melt and consume the Rings of Power, but there is not now any dragon left on earth in which the old fire is hot enough.<hr></blockquote>

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Smaug Dragon Lord · 07-16-2001, 01:20 PM

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Well that is a pretty hard question. For those who havn't read the books latly, they might have some trouble. But according to those quotes, (Thanks) they were still some left. Maybe a few still lived in the Nothern Waste and Angband. I wouldn't think there would be many dragons who could melt the ring. Maybe Smaug could. I'm sure Ancalagon and Scatha could.

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Smaug Dragon Lord · 07-16-2001, 01:24 PM

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Just for fun, I think I will give you some information on Ancalagon.

Ancalagon was known as the mightiest of the winged dragons of Morgoth. In a desperate assault, Morgoth unleashed the winged dragons. Ancalagon was the mightiest of these dragons, and with great thunder and lightning and fire, drove back the host of Valar. But Earendil came in Vingilot (ship) and with him was Thorondor and his Eagles. There was a great battle which took place between the two sides. It lasted all day long and most of the night, but just before sunrise Earendil slew Ancalagon. Ancalagon was cast from the sky and he fell upon the towers of Thangorodrim, which were destroyed beneath him.

First Appeared: During the War of Wrath
Name Meaning: Rushing Jaws
Race: Dragons
Also Known as: The Black

I got that from The Black Chasm. I'm not trying to advertize or anything, just give information. Look below.

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Imbear Nolwehin · 07-17-2001, 09:15 AM

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Gandalf specificies that even the Old Fire of Ancalagon could not melt the Ring - for it was forged in the fires of Sauron and Orodruin.

Scatha the Grey, I believe, was a cold drake and hence had no fire to speak of.

Imbëar

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Fingolfin · 07-21-2001, 08:31 AM

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<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Have I said anything to suggest the final ending of dragons? If so it should be altered. The only passage I can think of is Vol. I p. 70 : 'there is not now any dragon left on earth in which the olfire is hot enough'. But that implies, I think, that there are still dragons, if not of full primeval stature.(letter 144) <hr></blockquote>

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Inziladun · 07-21-2001, 09:02 PM

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Smaug Dragon Lord · 07-23-2001, 05:15 AM

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I bet my bottom dollar Glaurung could. Anyone want to try to prove me wrong? <img src=wink.gif ALT="

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SteadfastSam · 07-23-2001, 06:58 PM

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I was always sad that all the dragons in Tolkien's works were evil...except the one in Farmer Giles of Ham of course. <img src=laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> Maybe in the RPG I'll be a hobbit who morphs into a dragon.

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07-14-2001, 10:25 AM	#1
Belegheru Pile O'Bones Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 11	Was Smaug the last of all Dragons that lived in Arda? <font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Pile o' Bones Posts: 21</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Was he? </p>

07-16-2001, 05:25 AM	#3
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,037	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wight Posts: 233</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Was Smaug the last of all Dragons that lived in Arda? There were apparently at least some left after Smaug's death. Gandalf said to Frodo in FoTR: <blockquote>*Quote:*<hr> It has been said that dragon-fire could melt and consume the Rings of Power, but there is not now any dragon left on earth in which the old fire is hot enough.<hr></blockquote> Those who will defend authority against rebellion must not themselves rebel. </p> __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

07-21-2001, 09:02 PM	#8
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,037	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wight Posts: 241</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Dragons <Bows> Those who will defend authority against rebellion must not themselves rebel. </p> __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

07-23-2001, 05:15 AM	#9
Smaug Dragon Lord Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 11	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Pile o' Bones Posts: 23</TD><TD><img src=http://myprecious.co.uk/art/bigimages/bigimages_g1/smaug21.jpg WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Dragons I bet my bottom dollar Glaurung could. Anyone want to try to prove me wrong? <img src=wink.gif ALT=""> <center>http://www.theblackchasm.com</a> http://www.theblackchasm.com<font size="1">www.theblackchasm.com</a> </center></p>

07-15-2001, 07:44 AM	#2
Fingolfin Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 70	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Animated Skeleton Posts: 48</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Was Smaug the last of all Dragons that lived in Arda? <blockquote>*Quote:<hr> So the rumour of the wealth of Erebor spread abroad and reached the ears of the dragons, and at last Smaug the Golden, greatest of the dragons of his day,* arose and without warning came against King Thror and descended on the Mountain in flames. (lotr Appendix A)<hr></blockquote> Prbably not but he was the last of the "great dragons" let me see if I can find the quote... </p>

07-16-2001, 01:20 PM	#4
Smaug Dragon Lord Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 11	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Newly Deceased Posts: 9</TD><TD><img src=http://myprecious.co.uk/art/bigimages/bigimages_g1/smaug21.jpg WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Was Smaug the last of all Dragons that lived in Arda? Well that is a pretty hard question. For those who havn't read the books latly, they might have some trouble. But according to those quotes, (Thanks) they were still some left. Maybe a few still lived in the Nothern Waste and Angband. I wouldn't think there would be many dragons who could melt the ring. Maybe Smaug could. I'm sure Ancalagon and Scatha could. <center>http://www.theblackchasm.com</a> http://www.theblackchasm.com<font size="1">www.theblackchasm.com</a> </center></p>

07-16-2001, 01:24 PM	#5
Smaug Dragon Lord Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 11	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Newly Deceased Posts: 10</TD><TD><img src=http://myprecious.co.uk/art/bigimages/bigimages_g1/smaug21.jpg WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Was Smaug the last of all Dragons that lived in Arda? Just for fun, I think I will give you some information on Ancalagon. Ancalagon was known as the mightiest of the winged dragons of Morgoth. In a desperate assault, Morgoth unleashed the winged dragons. Ancalagon was the mightiest of these dragons, and with great thunder and lightning and fire, drove back the host of Valar. But Earendil came in Vingilot (ship) and with him was Thorondor and his Eagles. There was a great battle which took place between the two sides. It lasted all day long and most of the night, but just before sunrise Earendil slew Ancalagon. Ancalagon was cast from the sky and he fell upon the towers of Thangorodrim, which were destroyed beneath him. First Appeared: During the War of Wrath Name Meaning: Rushing Jaws Race: Dragons Also Known as: The Black I got that from The Black Chasm. I'm not trying to advertize or anything, just give information. Look below. <center>http://www.theblackchasm.com</a> http://www.theblackchasm.com<font size="1">www.theblackchasm.com</a> </center></p>

07-17-2001, 09:15 AM	#6
Imbear Nolwehin Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 17	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Pile o' Bones Posts: 18</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Dragons Gandalf specificies that even the Old Fire of Ancalagon could not melt the Ring - for it was forged in the fires of Sauron and Orodruin. Scatha the Grey, I believe, was a cold drake and hence had no fire to speak of. Imbëar </p>

07-21-2001, 08:31 AM	#7
Fingolfin Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 70	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Haunting Spirit Posts: 52</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Dragons <blockquote>*Quote:*<hr> Have I said anything to suggest the final ending of dragons? If so it should be altered. The only passage I can think of is Vol. I p. 70 : 'there is not now any dragon left on earth in which the olfire is hot enough'. But that implies, I think, that there are still dragons, if not of full primeval stature.(letter 144) <hr></blockquote> </p>

07-23-2001, 06:58 PM	#10
SteadfastSam Seeker of Light Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 503	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 378</TD><TD><img src=http://66.37.237.17/images/characters/vanityfair-astin_sm.jpg WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Dragons I was always sad that all the dragons in Tolkien's works were evil...except the one in Farmer Giles of Ham of course. <img src=laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> Maybe in the RPG I'll be a hobbit who morphs into a dragon. "I will, Lord." said Tuor.</p>