Silmarillion????????? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

thunder_goddess · 02-01-2003, 10:56 AM

I heard a rumor that there was going to be a movie made about the Silmarillion. Personally, i'd think this would be qreat. But mabey it wont happen. Does anyone know for sure?-----------------------------------------"Help me master, I'm drownded." ~ Samwise

Tar-Palantir · 02-01-2003, 12:26 PM

I believe that the Tolkein estate has said they will never sell the movie rights to The Silmarillion.

Inderjit Sanghera · 02-01-2003, 12:42 PM

I think it would cost way too much money, and it woudl be too complicated for non-Tolkien fans to watch, and it would have to spread out over quite a lot of movies. Plus clashes on what charatcers look like. For me, only Keira Knightley can play Finduilas.

**lindil** · 02-01-2003, 12:50 PM

IF they won't sell the rights I must say it is probably for the best.The odds of doing the Silmarillion justice are way less than that for the the LotR.

Inderjit Sanghera · 02-01-2003, 12:59 PM

Yep, i think lots of directors would take quite a few 'liberties' with the Silmarillion. More so then LoTR.

Brinniel · 02-01-2003, 01:07 PM

Personally, I think it'd be too difficult to make it into a movie anyway. It's such a complicated book and I'm sure that if it were a movie, it'd leave those who had not read the books completely confused. Best to leave The Silmarillion as a book and only a book.

Gorwingel · 02-01-2003, 01:51 PM

It would be like trying to make an epic film on the Bible, very complicated. Maybe they could do some of the stories though, but I doubt it.

Inderjit Sanghera · 02-01-2003, 02:47 PM

Fall of Gondolin, Narn I Hin Hurin and Beren and Luthein coudl make good movies, along with Unumbered Years.

Tenduriel · 02-01-2003, 03:42 PM

well i guess "Silmarillion the movie" will never be realized, and I'm glad. but perhaps it would be interesting to know how the Valar would be shaped (although they are clearly described in the book).I have said. ( )

Greyhame · 02-01-2003, 03:55 PM

I think it could be done as an HBO Miniseries personally...But that's probably a pipe dream, too.

**The Saucepan Man** · 02-02-2003, 01:25 PM

It's difficult enough to keep track of the chracters when reading the book, with the help of various lineage trees, a map and an index, so how it could be made into anything more than a cult film, I cannot imagine.A similar thread on this topic may be found <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=001728" TARGET=_blank>here</A>.

thunder_goddess · 02-02-2003, 04:17 PM

Thank you. You cleared a lot up. Mabey this will shut my brother's gossiping mouth up._____________________________________

Mattius · 02-02-2003, 04:22 PM

where did you here that rumour?

JenFramp · 02-03-2003, 02:48 AM

it would have to be way longer than a HBO miniseries..if someone would take the time to stick to the book, and make a couple of seasons worth, like a tv show of it..i'd come home every night from work and want to watch it!..the silmarillion show..

Deathwail · 02-03-2003, 03:26 AM

Could never ever in a million years get hollywood to stick to the Silmarillion with out major screw the story up changes,its far to depressing to ever sell to a studio as a high budget film or set of films.Every love story in it ends up sad and every hero dies.The Hobbit could make a great film but never the Silmarillion.

eleniwilwarin · 02-03-2003, 05:42 AM

Deathwail: I totally agree with you... There are some books that are never supposed to become a film and this is one of those books...

Inderjit Sanghera · 02-03-2003, 09:18 AM

But still, the though of watching Beren and Luthien or seeing Hurin slaying 70 Trolls would be amazing.

Magician of Nathar · 02-10-2003, 06:37 PM

Well, maybe bot the whole thing as a movie, but parts of it. Like some one said before. But how about other art forms? Doesn't Luthien and Beren just scream for an opera? Too bad all the masters are dead. I personally think Wagner could have turned the Lay of Leithien into something no less grand than The Ring. Puccini and Berlioz would do fine as well. What a shame they are all no longer in this world. I suppose Britten would be fine... Wait a minute, is he alive???

Dunlondion · 02-11-2003, 01:24 AM

The Simarilion being made into a movie sounds good, but the news from LOTR movie bse wellington, New Zealand( for those of u who dont know the fims were made her and Peter Jackson lives here) Peter jackson will be making another Film altough not on the scalescale of the lord of the rings. It may or may not be tolkien related

the real findorfin · 02-11-2003, 07:00 AM

Ancanar is a film being made by some unknown directors and its set in Middle-Earth, but in some unknown place called Rammoth Valley. I'm not sure if its a small-time kind of film or an actual big-screen one (i think big-screen) but it looks pretty cool, except the elves have short hair. I'll find the link.... <A HREF="http://www.ancanar.com/" TARGET=_blank>http://www.ancanar.com/</A>[ February 11, 2003: Message edited by: the real findorfin ]

Tar-Palantir · 02-11-2003, 06:56 PM

Does anyone speak Czechoslovakian? This site has four pictures that are quite well done. It has to be a joke, but I would love it if one of you out there could tell me what is says! <A HREF="http://www.jcsoft.cz/fantasy/viewnews.asp?id=375" TARGET=_blank>Czech article</A>

Lindolirian · 02-11-2003, 07:20 PM

No, I do not speak Czech, but those pictures semm... ummm manufactured... y'know not quite real. Luthien looks exactly like an Arwen figurine, and one picture (#6) looks like the figurine on a set rather than an actor. Also the pictures of "Doriath" are perfect replicas of Rivendell, if indeed they are not the same... I think it's all fake.

Lady Alasse · 02-19-2003, 02:30 PM

I don't think they could make the Simerillian into a movie either.. but some of those stories would be great. I wonder if they would consider doing a sequel to the RotK. I've always wondered what happened after that. I would like to know what happened during Eldarion's(Aragorn's son) reign. That is where all the books stop.

Meela · 02-19-2003, 02:56 PM

i heard that PJ had the films rights. i doubt they'll make it, will they? although it would be nice to see

Scott · 02-20-2003, 04:24 PM

I also think that the movie "Silmarillion" would be too hard to do and still stay true to the book... At least it would be too hard in live action, but maybe it could be done well if it were computerized!?! Another thought would also be to do it as a sort of cartoon-epic miniseries... as long as it were of a better quality than than something like DragonballZ. It would drive me mad to have to watch five episodes to see one blow from Turin's sword.

gralin musicteeth · 02-20-2003, 05:16 PM

Recently I found a quote from Professor T.A. Shippy concerning The Silmarillion: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The Silmarillion could never be anything but hard to read! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I wholeheartedly agree with this, as I am reading the book a third time and still I have trouble keeping the characters straight. So if the book is that complicated, how in the world can a movie be made about it? And if it is split up in to several movies, non-Tolkien fans would probably get tired of it.[ February 20, 2003: Message edited by: gralin musicteeth ]

Inderjit Sanghera · 02-21-2003, 06:19 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I don't think they could make the Simerillian into a movie either.. but some of those stories would be great. I wonder if they would consider doing a sequel to the RotK. I've always wondered what happened after that. I would like to know what happened during Eldarion's(Aragorn's son) reign. That is where all the books stop. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Try 'The New Shadow' HoME 12. Tolkien soon abandoned it, though.

02-01-2003, 10:56 AM	#1
thunder_goddess Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 11	Silmarillion????????? I heard a rumor that there was going to be a movie made about the Silmarillion. Personally, i'd think this would be qreat. But mabey it wont happen. Does anyone know for sure?<P>-----------------------------------------<P>"Help me master, I'm drownded." ~ Samwise

02-01-2003, 12:26 PM	#2
Tar-Palantir Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: napa valley, ca Posts: 496	I believe that the Tolkein estate has said they will never sell the movie rights to The Silmarillion. __________________ History shows again and again How nature points up the folly of men Go, go, Godzilla!

02-01-2003, 12:42 PM	#3
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	I think it would cost way too much money, and it woudl be too complicated for non-Tolkien fans to watch, and it would have to spread out over quite a lot of movies. Plus clashes on what charatcers look like. For me, only Keira Knightley can play Finduilas. __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

02-01-2003, 12:50 PM	#4
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	IF they won't sell the rights I must say it is probably for the best.<P>The odds of doing the Silmarillion justice are way less than that for the the LotR. __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.

02-01-2003, 12:59 PM	#5
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	Yep, i think lots of directors would take quite a few 'liberties' with the Silmarillion. More so then LoTR. __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

02-01-2003, 01:07 PM	#6
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	Personally, I think it'd be too difficult to make it into a movie anyway. It's such a complicated book and I'm sure that if it were a movie, it'd leave those who had not read the books completely confused. Best to leave The Silmarillion as a book and only a book. __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum

02-01-2003, 01:51 PM	#7
Gorwingel Beholder of the Mists Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Northwest... for now Posts: 1,419	It would be like trying to make an epic film on the Bible, very complicated. Maybe they could do some of the stories though, but I doubt it. __________________ Wanted - Wonderfully witty quote that consists of pure brilliance

02-01-2003, 02:47 PM	#8
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	Fall of Gondolin, Narn I Hin Hurin and Beren and Luthein coudl make good movies, along with Unumbered Years. __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

02-01-2003, 03:42 PM	#9
Tenduriel Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Erreseä (temporary stay: Belgium) Posts: 37	well i guess "Silmarillion the movie" will never be realized, and I'm glad. but perhaps it would be interesting to know how the Valar would be shaped (although they are clearly described in the book).<P>I have said. ( ) __________________ navaer! 5r#`C6R (Goodbye) O mór henion i dhû - Ely siriar, êl síla - Ai! Aniron Undómiel - Tiro! Êl eria e môr. - I 'lîr en êl luitha 'uren. - Ai! Aniron

02-01-2003, 03:55 PM	#10
Greyhame Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: illinois Posts: 42	I think it could be done as an HBO Miniseries personally...<P>But that's probably a pipe dream, too. __________________ Poo-tee-weet?

02-02-2003, 01:25 PM	#11
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	It's difficult enough to keep track of the chracters when reading the book, with the help of various lineage trees, a map and an index, so how it could be made into anything more than a cult film, I cannot imagine.<P>A similar thread on this topic may be found <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=001728" TARGET=_blank>here</A>. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

02-02-2003, 04:17 PM	#12
thunder_goddess Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 11	Thank you. You cleared a lot up. Mabey this will shut my brother's gossiping mouth up.<P>_____________________________________

02-02-2003, 04:22 PM	#13
Mattius Soul of Fire Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: City of Steel Posts: 666	where did you here that rumour? __________________ A problem shared is a problem halved, so is your problem really yours or just half of someone else's?

02-03-2003, 02:48 AM	#14
JenFramp Haunting Spirit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Zionsville Posts: 90	it would have to be way longer than a HBO miniseries..if someone would take the time to stick to the book, and make a couple of seasons worth, like a tv show of it..i'd come home every night from work and want to watch it!..the silmarillion show.. __________________ And seeing a picture of Jesus he cried out,"Momma, he's got some scars just like me." And he knew it was love, It was one he could understand He was showing his love, And that's how he hurt his hands.

02-03-2003, 03:26 AM	#15
Deathwail Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Door of Night Posts: 99	Could never ever in a million years get hollywood to stick to the Silmarillion with out major screw the story up changes,its far to depressing to ever sell to a studio as a high budget film or set of films.Every love story in it ends up sad and every hero dies.The Hobbit could make a great film but never the Silmarillion. __________________ He who arises in Might.

02-03-2003, 05:42 AM	#16
eleniwilwarin Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: sweden and Lothlòrien Posts: 36	Deathwail: I totally agree with you... There are some books that are never supposed to become a film and this is one of those books... __________________ mi lóme mi minë siril, minë aure mi minë elen...

02-03-2003, 09:18 AM	#17
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	But still, the though of watching Beren and Luthien or seeing Hurin slaying 70 Trolls would be amazing. __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

02-10-2003, 06:37 PM	#18
Magician of Nathar Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 46	Well, maybe bot the whole thing as a movie, but parts of it. Like some one said before. But how about other art forms? Doesn't Luthien and Beren just scream for an opera? Too bad all the masters are dead. I personally think Wagner could have turned the Lay of Leithien into something no less grand than The Ring. Puccini and Berlioz would do fine as well. What a shame they are all no longer in this world. I suppose Britten would be fine... Wait a minute, is he alive???

02-11-2003, 01:24 AM	#19
Dunlondion Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 21	The Simarilion being made into a movie sounds good, but the news from LOTR movie bse wellington, New Zealand( for those of u who dont know the fims were made her and Peter Jackson lives here) Peter jackson will be making another Film altough not on the scale<I>scale</I> of the lord of the rings. It may or may not be tolkien related

02-11-2003, 07:00 AM	#20
the real findorfin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 514	Ancanar is a film being made by some unknown directors and its set in Middle-Earth, but in some unknown place called Rammoth Valley. I'm not sure if its a small-time kind of film or an actual big-screen one (i think big-screen) but it looks pretty cool, except the elves have short hair. I'll find the link....<BR> <A HREF="http://www.ancanar.com/" TARGET=_blank>http://www.ancanar.com/</A><p>[ February 11, 2003: Message edited by: the real findorfin ] __________________ Legends of Middle Earth

02-11-2003, 06:56 PM	#21
Tar-Palantir Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: napa valley, ca Posts: 496	Does anyone speak Czechoslovakian? <P>This site has four pictures that are quite well done. It has to be a joke, but I would love it if one of you out there could tell me what is says! <A HREF="http://www.jcsoft.cz/fantasy/viewnews.asp?id=375" TARGET=_blank>Czech article</A> __________________ History shows again and again How nature points up the folly of men Go, go, Godzilla!

02-11-2003, 07:20 PM	#22
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	No, I do not speak Czech, but those pictures semm... ummm manufactured... y'know not quite real. Luthien looks exactly like an Arwen figurine, and one picture (#6) looks like the figurine on a set rather than an actor. Also the pictures of "Doriath" are perfect replicas of Rivendell, if indeed they are not the same... I think it's all fake. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

02-19-2003, 02:30 PM	#23
Lady Alasse Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Gondolin, Middle Earth Posts: 103	I don't think they could make the Simerillian into a movie either.. but some of those stories would be great. I wonder if they would consider doing a sequel to the RotK. I've always wondered what happened after that. I would like to know what happened during Eldarion's(Aragorn's son) reign. That is where all the books stop. __________________ He teacheth my hands to war; so that a bow of steel is broken by my arms.-II Samuel 22:35

02-19-2003, 02:56 PM	#24
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	i heard that PJ had the films rights. i doubt they'll make it, will they? although it would be nice to see __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

02-20-2003, 04:24 PM	#25
Scott Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ohio/Grey Havens Posts: 183	I also think that the movie "Silmarillion" would be too hard to do and still stay true to the book... <BR>At least it would be too hard in live action, but maybe it could be done well if it were computerized!?!<BR>Another thought would also be to do it as a sort of cartoon-epic miniseries... as long as it were of a better quality than than something like DragonballZ. It would drive me mad to have to watch five episodes to see one blow from Turin's sword. __________________ Those who the Gods would destroy, They first make mad. ~Those Crazy Greeks

02-20-2003, 05:16 PM	#26
gralin musicteeth Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tossing half-sick between grotesque reality and savage, frightening dreams Posts: 360	Recently I found a quote from Professor T.A. Shippy concerning The Silmarillion:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> <I>The Silmarillion</I> could never be anything but hard to read! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I wholeheartedly agree with this, as I am reading the book a third time and still I have trouble keeping the characters straight. <BR>So if the book is that complicated, how in the world can a movie be made about it?<BR>And if it is split up in to several movies, non-Tolkien fans would probably get tired of it.<p>[ February 20, 2003: Message edited by: gralin musicteeth ] __________________ Where was the stooped and mealy-coloured old man I used to call Poppa when the merry-go-round broke down?

02-21-2003, 06:19 AM	#27
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I don't think they could make the Simerillian into a movie either.. but some of those stories would be great. I wonder if they would consider doing a sequel to the RotK. I've always wondered what happened after that. I would like to know what happened during Eldarion's(Aragorn's son) reign. That is where all the books stop. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Try 'The New Shadow' HoME 12. Tolkien soon abandoned it, though. __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone