Inquiries - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Kuruharan · 01-01-2003, 12:37 PM

1) Did PJ have a cameo in this movie? I remember that he was in Fellowship, but I don't remember seeing him in TTT.2) Was the Elf in the Dead Marshes supposed to be somebody important? I'm asking because 1) he was in one piece and 2) he had dark hair if I remember correctly (a rather rare thing for an Elf in Jackson's Middle-earth).3) I assume that the extended version of the TTT will show how in the process of trundling across Rohan the homogenous band of Saruman's Uruk-hai suddenly turned in to the heterogeneous horde of various orcs. When I saw the scene with the orcs arguing I did a double take because all of a sudden there were a bunch of smaller orcs there that just mysteriously appeared out of nowhere. Or was this something that I was not supposed to notice?4) Why did Aragorn advise Theoden to send for help to Gondor? Wasn't he the one who had just ridden in all fainting and bleeding to announce "There's a whole bunch of orcs coming, they'll be here TONIGHT, and we're all gonna die!!!!!" How did he expect poor under-attack Gondor to send help when they were several days ride away, assuming they could even send help immediately. Or is this just a plot hole?

Arwen Imladris · 01-01-2003, 01:14 PM

1) PJ was sopposed to, there is a pic of him in my film book thing in TTT, but as of yet I haven't picked him out yet2)I don't think that he was anyone importnat.3) I didn't notice, must look harder next time.4) I have no idea.Gee, arn't I helpfull.

Estelyn Telcontar · 01-01-2003, 05:12 PM

1) PJ has two cameo appearances in TTT - see <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=001517" TARGET=_blank>this thread</A> for details.

Kuruharan · 01-01-2003, 09:46 PM

Thanks bunches, Esty.

the mortal elf · 01-01-2003, 10:17 PM

1) well, it's already been answered.2) I don't know if he was important or not. You could have fun and say he was Gil-Galad 3) Yeah, it will. It's talked about in another thread, and it seems there will be a lot more footage. Not just some 10 second thing.4) well, it could've been a stupid PJ thing, or it could've been put in there to show that Aragorn does have faith in his own people, despite what he said to Boromir in the special edition FotR.

Estelyn Telcontar · 01-02-2003, 07:32 AM

2) You know, I was thinking of Gil-Galad too! He definitely looked Elven, and I thought there could be some similarity to the Gil-Galad we were shown in the opening sequence of FotR. Since I've only seen TTT twice so far,I will look again next time.

Guinevere · 01-02-2003, 08:32 AM

My son is convinced as well that it is indeed Gil-Galad, because he watched the whole appendix-DVD of the FotR extended edition. There they show exactly how Gil-Galad was dressed. (I was actually wondering why they took such pains for a character that you only see for a few seconds in the movie...)

The Silver-shod Muse · 01-02-2003, 10:38 AM

Gil-galad's costume was one of the best, in my opinion. I was sorry we saw so little of him.Those Dead Marsh spirits weren't really the spirits of the dead, correct? Doesn't Sam address this in the books - that they are evil wights and not the souls of real men and elves? This was certainly not made clear in the movies.

01-01-2003, 12:37 PM	#1
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,593	Inquiries 1) Did PJ have a cameo in this movie? I remember that he was in Fellowship, but I don't remember seeing him in TTT.<P>2) Was the Elf in the Dead Marshes supposed to be somebody important? I'm asking because 1) he was in one piece and 2) he had dark hair if I remember correctly (a rather rare thing for an Elf in Jackson's Middle-earth).<P>3) I assume that the extended version of the TTT will show how in the process of trundling across Rohan the homogenous band of Saruman's Uruk-hai suddenly turned in to the heterogeneous horde of various orcs. When I saw the scene with the orcs arguing I did a double take because all of a sudden there were a bunch of smaller orcs there that just mysteriously appeared out of nowhere. Or was this something that I was not supposed to notice?<P>4) Why did Aragorn advise Theoden to send for help to Gondor? Wasn't he the one who had just ridden in all fainting and bleeding to announce "There's a whole bunch of orcs coming, they'll be here TONIGHT, and we're all gonna die!!!!!" How did he expect poor under-attack Gondor to send help when they were several days ride away, assuming they could even send help immediately. Or is this just a plot hole? __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

01-01-2003, 01:14 PM	#2
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	1) PJ was sopposed to, there is a pic of him in my film book thing in TTT, but as of yet I haven't picked him out yet<P>2)I don't think that he was anyone importnat.<P>3) I didn't notice, must look harder next time.<P>4) I have no idea.<P>Gee, arn't I helpfull. __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."

01-01-2003, 05:12 PM	#3
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	1) PJ has two cameo appearances in TTT - see <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=001517" TARGET=_blank>this thread</A> for details. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

01-01-2003, 09:46 PM	#4
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,593	Thanks bunches, Esty. __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

01-01-2003, 10:17 PM	#5
the mortal elf Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away... Posts: 201	1) well, it's already been answered.<P>2) I don't know if he was important or not. You could have fun and say he was Gil-Galad <P>3) Yeah, it will. It's talked about in another thread, and it seems there will be a lot more footage. Not just some 10 second thing.<P>4) well, it could've been a stupid PJ thing, or it could've been put in there to show that Aragorn does have faith in his own people, despite what he said to Boromir in the special edition FotR. __________________ My imaginary friend says you have problems.

01-02-2003, 07:32 AM	#6
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	2) You know, I was thinking of Gil-Galad too! He definitely looked Elven, and I thought there could be some similarity to the Gil-Galad we were shown in the opening sequence of FotR. Since I've only seen TTT twice so far,I will look again next time. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

01-02-2003, 08:32 AM	#7
Guinevere Banshee of Camelot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5,830	My son is convinced as well that it is indeed Gil-Galad, because he watched the whole appendix-DVD of the FotR extended edition. There they show exactly how Gil-Galad was dressed. (I was actually wondering why they took such pains for a character that you only see for a few seconds in the movie...) __________________ Yes! "wish-fulfilment dreams" we spin to cheat our timid hearts, and ugly Fact defeat!

01-02-2003, 10:38 AM	#8
The Silver-shod Muse Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The shoulder of a poet, TX Posts: 388	Gil-galad's costume was one of the best, in my opinion. I was sorry we saw so little of him.<P>Those Dead Marsh spirits weren't really the spirits of the dead, correct? Doesn't Sam address this in the books - that they are evil wights and not the souls of real men and elves? This was certainly not made clear in the movies. __________________ "'You," he said, "tell her all. What good came to you? Do you rejoice that Maleldil became a man? Tell her of your joys, and of what profit you had when you made Maleldil and death acquainted.'" -Perelandra, by C.S. Lewis