Harry Potter - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Elven-Maiden · 02-20-2002, 01:39 PM

I've been hearing the most diverse critiques of Harry Potter. Some say it's a fantasy story in the same category as Narnia and LotR, others say it's devil-worship.I want to keep an open mind, but I'm not sure if I should read it. Could people give me their opinions, but keep them relating to Tolkien's work, b/c I love ME, and I'd like to see some comparisons before I pick up the books.I hope this post isn't inapporpriate in a Tolkien forum. But I trust you people's jugement.

Bruce MacCulloch · 02-20-2002, 01:47 PM

The Harry Potter books are a great read! I don't compare them to Tolkien's works because I don't see there possibly being a comparison. The two are entirely different, the only siumilarity being that they are both "fantasy" works. Don't worry about whether they are better or wore than Tolkien, read them and enjoy them in their own right!

Balefalathiel · 02-20-2002, 01:49 PM

I've read Harry Potters.. I wouldn't say it's a fantasy book, because it's a childrens book... I'm not going to read Potters anymore... I just don't like them anymore...

Balefalathiel · 02-20-2002, 01:51 PM

First and second part were good but third...

Bruce MacCulloch · 02-20-2002, 01:56 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I wouldn't say it's a fantasy book, because it's a childrens book... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Many children's books are "fantasy"; The Hobbit, Prydain Chronicles by Lloyd Alexander, George MacDonald's books (which Tolkien himself says influenced him), Chronicles of Narnia - C.S. Lewis specifically wrote these for children, Through the Looking-Glass and Alice in Wonderland. These are all children's books, but there is no question whatsoever that they are fantasy, and not just fantasy, but very good books to read as an adult as well!

Balefalathiel · 02-20-2002, 02:00 PM

Okay.. You're right Bruce...

Starbreeze · 02-20-2002, 02:12 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Balefalathiel: First and second part were good but third... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hey! I thought the third was the best!Any way, I agree with Bruce entirely. They are a good read, but different from Tolkien in the way that Paper is different from a plank of wood. They start off the same (as a tree)- in that they are both fantasy - but they are different apart from that. (Rather lame metaphor there, sorry!)

Rosa Underhill · 02-20-2002, 02:44 PM

There's no comparing HP to Middle-earth. It's just not possible. Middle-earth is far deeper than Ms. Rowling's work; but Harry Potter is a great read. If you're looking for humor, HP's the way to go!"They put people's heads down toilets at Stonewall. Wanna come upstairs and practice?" "No thanks. I don't think the toilet's had anything as horrible as your head in it. It might be sick." Then he ran before Dudly could figure out what he'd said. ~Dudly Dursley and Harry Potter, "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's(Philosopher's) Stone"And it's not devil-worship. (Read the backlogged messages by fuzzyvision19 at <A HREF="http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/caahp" TARGET=_blank>this club</A> to see my thoughts on this issue.)

Elven-Maiden · 02-20-2002, 07:13 PM

Thank you all! I guess I'll try it, and see if I like HP!

Dwarin Thunderhammer · 02-20-2002, 07:19 PM

Bruce, concerning alice in wonderland. I heard it was based off an LSD trip, have you heard anything like that also?

Bruce MacCulloch · 02-20-2002, 11:06 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Bruce, concerning alice in wonderland. I heard it was based off an LSD trip, have you heard anything like that also? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That's just one of those things that makes ya go "Hmmmmm".

02-20-2002, 11:49 PM

I've read that Harry Potter was inspired by Lord of The Rings. JK Rowling admitted that herself so, there's no need for comparison cause they belong to two different genre. Harry P is more of a children's fun and full of laughter book. Lord of The Rings has more serious plotline. More thinking. I love them both and I can't decide which one is better cause they're both great!

Jessica Jade · 02-21-2002, 12:31 AM

I think that the biggest difference between Tolkien and Harry Potter is that Lord of the Rings is an EPIC adventure, whereas H.P. is like children's tales/adventures in a wizarding world.In a way the books are so different that they can't even be compared. Yet, they are similar...i think that Rowling and Tolkien are both incredible geniuses-their prolific creativity never fails to amaze me. The details of each of their worlds are so complete and well thought out. H.P. and LOTR are both ultimately about good versus evil, but they ARE in fact very different. LOTR is so much more mature and descriptive, and infinitely darker and more brooding. It also has the power to MOVE the reader, to make the reader feel as if he/she is part of the story-when i read the books, i can feel the sadness, loyalty, friendship, trust, the desperation...all the things that the characters must feel. I haven't gotten to the end of the Lord of the Rings yet, but from what's been hinted to me at what is yet to come...i'm sure i will be bawling my eyes out at the end of Return of the King. I think that JK Rowling wrote Harry Potter for the purpose of entertainment...and she does a great job at accomplishing that purpose. Lord of the Rings, on the other hand, has much more meaning and passion and can really touch the readers' heart. You can never say that Rowling plagerized though. The creatures that are used in both series, are creatures that have been mentioned in other mythologies and aren't what the author created themself (of course, Rowling and Tolkien both have their own creative edge, from Ents to Boggarts and then some)Both book series are ingenious in their own ways. It's incredibly and suprisingly hard to compare them. It's impossibel to choose one over the other indefinitely, because I love them both, but for different reasons.

Rosa Underhill · 02-21-2002, 03:19 AM

"Alice in Wonderland" was just a horrid book. I didn't like a moment of it.As for HP and LotR: my best friend was right. You can tell a good author because he/she always has initials instead of a first name (except for Lloyd Alexander and Brian Jaque). J.R.R. Tolkien, C.S. Lewis, J.K. Rowling, etc... The fact that HP is supposed to be a "children's" book means nothing. My Grandma is turning 70 this year and I got her hooked on HP. She's read and owns all four books. Sadly, thanks to Bakshi, she won't even give LotR a chance.

Aralaithiel · 02-21-2002, 03:31 PM

Great! Another person who does not care for Alice in Wonderland! I thought I was alone in this world! ~doin' the happy dance! I have steered clear of HP just because it is written for children, and I like meatier books!(with really BIG words!)

Balefalathiel · 02-21-2002, 03:39 PM

By the way; Should I read Narnia? Is it really so good as they say...?

Bruce MacCulloch · 02-21-2002, 10:46 PM

Absolutely! Keep in mind that the Chronicles of Narnia was written by C.S. Lewis, one of Professor Tolkien's dearest friends.

Jessica Jade · 02-21-2002, 11:13 PM

Yes, definitely read Narnia! I only read the first book in that series, but i absolutely LOVED it! Hmm i think i need to revisit those C.S. Lewis books...after i finish all of Tolkien's that is.

Balefalathiel · 02-22-2002, 01:54 AM

But I heard from somewhere that Tolkien didn't like Lewis's fantasy... but that can't be true, can it.. well I read it anyway.. ..I don't belive it's true...

Rosa Underhill · 02-22-2002, 02:22 PM

Tolkien hated allegory with a passion, so he wasn't fond of Narnia.I loved "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe" and "The Last Battle". The middle five books were tough for me to read because they really were written for children and I read them for the first time this year, but read them anyway. I love C.S. Lewis' philosophical works! "Mere Christianity" and "The Screwtape Letters" rule! And so does "Til We Have Faces". Hmmm, I need to finish that book; it was really good.

Bruce MacCulloch · 02-22-2002, 04:22 PM

While Tolkien did not like Narnia because of its allegory, he many times expressed his appreciation of Lewis's writings. In Letters, the Professor praises Out of the Silent Planet very highly.

Tarlondeion Of Gondolin · 02-22-2002, 05:17 PM

HP is great, but their different, their just good books. Tolkiens something more something......................................... ..............magical?

Lush · 02-22-2002, 05:48 PM

For all the nasty criticism that befell Harry Potter (and continues to rain down on J.K. Rowling's head as I type this post), one thing the books certainly did do, is turn the kids away from mindless TV-consumption and gory video games, and get them to read again! Reading, as you may know, helps the brain to develop. Personally speaking, I have enjoyed Harry & Co.'s antics very much, and can't wait for the next installment.

Elven-Maiden · 02-22-2002, 06:18 PM

I loved the Narnia books! I think my favourites were The Horse and His Boy and The Silver Chair. As soon as I finish Tolkien's books, I'll give HP a fair chance.Thank you all! Oh.... and on a similar note I was wondering if you could all recomment ONE book! Not a series, not a tie between two... and not a link to the other thread about books, but ONE book that you would recommend reading. I'm hungry for books, but huge listrs overwhelm me! Thanks

Rosa Underhill · 02-22-2002, 10:54 PM

Just one? Mm... *eyes get wide, Rosa looks scared, starts chewing nails* Boy, I read so much and most of it in a series...Ummmm.... How 'bout.... "Dinotopia" by James Gurney. It's filled with bunches of cool illustrations and is all about the adventures of a shipwrecked man and his son on an island inhabited by civilized dinosaurs that can talk! It's so cool! If you're not into dinos, let me know and I'll suggest something else.

Nova · 02-23-2002, 08:06 AM

I think a huge difference between LotR and HP, one that makes LotR seem much more magical (despite the relative shortage of actual magic) is the setting. HP is based on fictional aspects of a familiar world. But LotR is an entirely new environment, which action taking place all over the map, in all kinds of areas. It makes it feel much...grander.Mmm...wish I could recommend some good fantasy lit...I read more sci-fi. Although, I do like the Death Gate Cycle, though sometimes I feel as if I'm the only one. You might try reading Dragon Wing, but only if you're willing to get caught up in a series.

Starbreeze · 02-23-2002, 09:36 AM

I love the Death Gate Cycle! You are not alone!

Rosa Underhill · 02-23-2002, 11:11 AM

Whoo hoo! That makes *counts on fingers* four Death Gate Cycle fans that I know of! Those are great books!

Elven-Maiden · 02-23-2002, 11:35 AM

*jumps up and down, and starts frantically looking for money to raid the bookstore* Thank you all SO much!

avarerniliel · 02-23-2002, 11:53 AM

Dinotopia is a great series Rosa, my favorite in fact, besides the Redwall series, but that gets a little repetitive. There are many similarities between HP and LOTR, but you could say the same for all fantasy stories. Good vs. Evil, one really bad guy, one very good guy, but is it just me, or does Gandalf represent Dumbledore? Alot. If you're looking for a good read though, it's kind of old but Heinlen'sThe Starbeast and The Rolling Stones are both great.

Rosa Underhill · 02-23-2002, 03:26 PM

Dinotopia is good but I'm not fond of it's sequels. "The World Beneath" was okay but not as good as the first. And I hated "First Flight". It was like a bad Disney sequel with more realistic art! Auck! As for LotR and HP. LotR basically started up the fantasy/sword and sorcery genre we know today. Every stereotypical wizard that I can think of in modern literature stems from ideas of Gandalf, good or bad. Dumbledore can't help but resemble Gandalf, it seems. But LotR is the best.

Airetalathwen · 02-27-2002, 07:47 PM

Very true, that it is impossible to compare theses two books. IMO, there are some major differences in these books that were not mentioned here. (This could start a majorly hot discussion, but here goes.)First, in LOTR, the idea is to get rid of the magic, because you cannot weild it for good. The ring (ie: magic) is bad, and cannot be used for good. In Harry Potter, magic is seen as being fun and okay to use, as long as you use it for good. From my experience, magic in the real world is always creepy and goes hand in hand with evil things of all kinds.And, sorry to burst your bubble, but J.K Rowling isn't as big of a genius as you might think. Her books follow a certain pattern of Brittish novel writing that was developed a while ago. So its' not altogether her own original style. (My Aunt teaches Advanced Placement literature and she knows her stuff!) My personal reason for not being a huge HP fan, is that people decided to make this popular. I heard a radio interview with marketers who admitted that they didn't care if the book was all that great or not, but kids would like it and read it, just because THEY were going to MAKE it popular. I hate having things like that decided for me, and be one of the mindless masses....(NO offense to anyone here, I'm not talking about you, but rather about people who really don't think. And if you really don't think, then I AM talking about you. ) Sorry for the long post and controversial ideas! This is only my opinion, and I'm prepared to get flamed ~Airetalathwen

Rosa Underhill · 02-27-2002, 08:53 PM

*Rosa aims flame thrower, then blows out the flame* The only thing I disagree with is what you said about magic in Middle-earth. The Ring wasn't the only object to have magic in ME, it was just the most malevolent at the time. And not all magic is bad (remember that magic is generic term that describes what the observer doesn't understand. Science is magic to those who don't know how it works; the sunset is magic just because it's so beautiful, etc, etc.).Aside from that, no beef from me. Good points!

03-07-2002, 02:03 PM

I like hp, but I love LOTR it is great! but my favourite book is ' Quo Vadis' and The Hobbit Do you read them?

03-07-2002, 02:06 PM

my fauvorite books are... of course Sorry I speak some English I learn it

Samwise · 03-07-2002, 02:32 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Harry P is more of a children's fun and full of laughter book.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Ugh. Obviously you didn't read book four. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Sam had a natural mistrust of the inhabitants of other parts of the Shire; and also he was not disposed to be quick friends with anyone who had beaten his master, however long ago. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Samwise · 03-07-2002, 02:36 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>First, in LOTR, the idea is to get rid of the magic, because you cannot weild it for good. The ring (ie: magic) is bad, and cannot be used for good. In Harry Potter, magic is seen as being fun and okay to use, as long as you use it for good. From my experience, magic in the real world is always creepy and goes hand in hand with evil things of all kinds.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I agree. And, though I found a few merits to the HP books, there were far more things I found unfavorable. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>"Now thats an eyeopener, and that's no mistake." -Samwise Gamgee <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

03-07-2002, 07:24 PM

I thought the HP books were a fine read. They are very intelligently written, and deal with a lot of the things that the a kid would have to go through. Of course, it's not LOTR, and comparing the two would be completely unfair. The HP books are children's stories, but they are still fine fare for adults. I like to read them as a light break between other stuff. They're funny, fast moving and lots of fun.

03-07-2002, 07:55 PM

I'll say they're fast moving....I read the first HP book in a night. ~Airetalathwen[ March 07, 2002: Message edited by: Airetalathwen ]

Samwise · 03-07-2002, 07:58 PM

Hullo, Jesse! Welcome to the 'downs! ~your friendly neighborhood gardener <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>LOTR Moment (IV) (Moria) Orcs are everywhere Samwise whacks one with a pot gets..."the hang of this!" Copyright 2002 S. Uffelman <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

02-20-2002, 01:39 PM	#1
Elven-Maiden Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 297	Harry Potter I've been hearing the most diverse critiques of Harry Potter. Some say it's a fantasy story in the same category as Narnia and LotR, others say it's devil-worship.<P>I want to keep an open mind, but I'm not sure if I should read it. Could people give me their opinions, but keep them relating to Tolkien's work, b/c I love ME, and I'd like to see some comparisons before I pick up the books.<P>I hope this post isn't inapporpriate in a Tolkien forum. But I trust you people's jugement. __________________ Tout ce qui est or ne brille pas, Tous ceux qui errent ne sont pas perdus. Mobilis in Mobile

02-20-2002, 01:47 PM	#2
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 651	The Harry Potter books are a great read!<BR>I don't compare them to Tolkien's works because I don't see there possibly being a comparison. The two are entirely different, the only siumilarity being that they are both "fantasy" works.<BR>Don't worry about whether they are better or wore than Tolkien, read them and enjoy them in their own right! __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

02-20-2002, 01:56 PM	#5
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 651	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I wouldn't say it's a fantasy book, because it's a childrens book... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Many children's books are "fantasy"; <I>The Hobbit</I>, <I>Prydain Chronicles</I> by Lloyd Alexander, George MacDonald's books (which Tolkien himself says influenced him), <I>Chronicles of Narnia</I> - C.S. Lewis specifically wrote these for children, <I>Through the Looking-Glass</I> and <I>Alice in Wonderland</I>. These are all children's books, but there is no question whatsoever that they are fantasy, and not just fantasy, but very good books to read as an adult as well! __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

02-20-2002, 02:12 PM	#7
Starbreeze Ghost of a Smile Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Mirkwood - Middle Earth Posts: 389	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Balefalathiel:<BR><STRONG>First and second part were good but third... </STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hey! I thought the third was the best!<P>Any way, I agree with Bruce entirely. They are a good read, but different from Tolkien in the way that Paper is different from a plank of wood. They start off the same (as a tree)- in that they are both fantasy - but they are different apart from that. (Rather lame metaphor there, sorry!)<BR> __________________ Do not tamper with the affairs of wizards, they are not all that subtle - Terry Pratchett To write is to make dreams, to make dreams is to awaken the fantasy of the mind, to awaken the mind is to be a master.

02-20-2002, 02:44 PM	#8
Rosa Underhill Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waymeet, the Shire Posts: 297	There's no comparing HP to Middle-earth. It's just not possible. Middle-earth is far deeper than Ms. Rowling's work; but Harry Potter is a great read. If you're looking for humor, HP's the way to go!<P>"They put people's heads down toilets at Stonewall. Wanna come upstairs and practice?"<BR>"No thanks. I don't think the toilet's had anything as horrible as your head in it. It might be sick." Then he ran before Dudly could figure out what he'd said.<BR>~Dudly Dursley and Harry Potter, "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's(Philosopher's) Stone"<P>And it's not devil-worship. (Read the backlogged messages by fuzzyvision19 at <A HREF="http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/caahp" TARGET=_blank>this club</A> to see my thoughts on this issue.) __________________ WWAHD? (What would a Hobbit do?)

02-20-2002, 01:49 PM	#3
Balefalathiel Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 34	I've read Harry Potters.. I wouldn't say it's a fantasy book, because it's a childrens book... I'm not going to read Potters anymore... I just don't like them anymore...

02-20-2002, 01:51 PM	#4
Balefalathiel Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 34	First and second part were good but third...

02-20-2002, 02:00 PM	#6
Balefalathiel Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 34	Okay.. You're right Bruce...

02-20-2002, 07:13 PM	#9
Elven-Maiden Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 297	Thank you all! I guess I'll try it, and see if I like HP! __________________ Tout ce qui est or ne brille pas, Tous ceux qui errent ne sont pas perdus. Mobilis in Mobile

02-20-2002, 07:19 PM	#10
Dwarin Thunderhammer Khazad-Doomed Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Green Dragon Posts: 182	Bruce, concerning alice in wonderland. I heard it was based off an LSD trip, have you heard anything like that also? __________________ “Baruk Khazâd! Khazâd aimênu!” Come visit The Rohan RPG! The only RPG to fanfic on the downs! Without law there can be no freedom. Without justice there can be no law.

02-20-2002, 11:06 PM	#11
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 651	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Bruce, concerning alice in wonderland. I heard it was based off an LSD trip, have you heard anything like that also? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That's just one of those things that makes ya go "Hmmmmm". __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

02-20-2002, 11:49 PM	#12
andhiriel greenleaf Guest Posts: n/a	I've read that Harry Potter was inspired by Lord of The Rings. JK Rowling admitted that herself so, there's no need for comparison cause they belong to two different genre. <BR>Harry P is more of a children's fun and full of laughter book.<BR>Lord of The Rings has more serious plotline. More thinking.<BR>I love them both and I can't decide which one is better cause they're both great!

02-21-2002, 12:31 AM	#13
Jessica Jade Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Tirion upon Túna, Atlanta Posts: 154	I think that the biggest difference between Tolkien and Harry Potter is that Lord of the Rings is an EPIC adventure, whereas H.P. is like children's tales/adventures in a wizarding world.<P>In a way the books are so different that they can't even be compared. Yet, they are similar...i think that Rowling and Tolkien are both incredible geniuses-their prolific creativity never fails to amaze me. The details of each of their worlds are so complete and well thought out. <P>H.P. and LOTR are both ultimately about good versus evil, but they ARE in fact very different. LOTR is so much more mature and descriptive, and infinitely darker and more brooding. It also has the power to MOVE the reader, to make the reader feel as if he/she is part of the story-when i read the books, i can feel the sadness, loyalty, friendship, trust, the desperation...all the things that the characters must feel. I haven't gotten to the end of the Lord of the Rings yet, but from what's been hinted to me at what is yet to come...i'm sure i will be bawling my eyes out at the end of Return of the King. I think that JK Rowling wrote Harry Potter for the purpose of entertainment...and she does a great job at accomplishing that purpose. Lord of the Rings, on the other hand, has much more meaning and passion and can really touch the readers' heart. You can never say that Rowling plagerized though. The creatures that are used in both series, are creatures that have been mentioned in other mythologies and aren't what the author created themself (of course, Rowling and Tolkien both have their own creative edge, from Ents to Boggarts and then some)<P>Both book series are ingenious in their own ways. It's incredibly and suprisingly hard to compare them. It's impossibel to choose one over the other indefinitely, because I love them both, but for different reasons. __________________ http://www.cadential64.com The musicians had indeed laid bare the youngest, most innocent of our ideas of life, the indestructible yearning for the way things aren't and can never be. ~ Philip Roth, The Human Stain

02-21-2002, 03:19 AM	#14
Rosa Underhill Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waymeet, the Shire Posts: 297	"Alice in Wonderland" was just a horrid book. I didn't like a moment of it.<P>As for HP and LotR: my best friend was right. You can tell a good author because he/she always has initials instead of a first name (except for Lloyd Alexander and Brian Jaque). J.R.R. Tolkien, C.S. Lewis, J.K. Rowling, etc... <P>The fact that HP is supposed to be a "children's" book means nothing. My Grandma is turning 70 this year and I got her hooked on HP. She's read and owns all four books. Sadly, thanks to Bakshi, she won't even give LotR a chance. __________________ WWAHD? (What would a Hobbit do?)

02-21-2002, 03:31 PM	#15
Aralaithiel Ghost Eldaran Queen Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A remote mountain in Valinor Posts: 353	Great! Another person who does not care for Alice in Wonderland! I thought I was alone in this world! ~doin' the happy dance!<BR>I have steered clear of HP just because it is written for children, and I like meatier books!(with really BIG words!) __________________ A lelyat, wen! (Quenya Elvish for "You go, girl!"

02-21-2002, 03:39 PM	#16
Balefalathiel Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 34	By the way; Should I read Narnia? Is it really so good as they say...?

02-21-2002, 10:46 PM	#17
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 651	Absolutely!<BR>Keep in mind that the <I>Chronicles of Narnia</I> was written by C.S. Lewis, one of Professor Tolkien's dearest friends. __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

02-21-2002, 11:13 PM	#18
Jessica Jade Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Tirion upon Túna, Atlanta Posts: 154	Yes, definitely read Narnia! I only read the first book in that series, but i absolutely LOVED it! Hmm i think i need to revisit those C.S. Lewis books...after i finish all of Tolkien's that is. __________________ http://www.cadential64.com The musicians had indeed laid bare the youngest, most innocent of our ideas of life, the indestructible yearning for the way things aren't and can never be. ~ Philip Roth, The Human Stain

02-22-2002, 01:54 AM	#19
Balefalathiel Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 34	But I heard from somewhere that Tolkien didn't like Lewis's fantasy... but that can't be true, can it.. well I read it anyway.. ..I don't belive it's true...

02-22-2002, 02:22 PM	#20
Rosa Underhill Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waymeet, the Shire Posts: 297	Tolkien hated allegory with a passion, so he wasn't fond of Narnia.<P>I loved "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe" and "The Last Battle". The middle five books were tough for me to read because they really were written for children and I read them for the first time this year, but read them anyway. I love C.S. Lewis' philosophical works! "Mere Christianity" and "The Screwtape Letters" rule! And so does "Til We Have Faces". Hmmm, I need to finish that book; it was really good. __________________ WWAHD? (What would a Hobbit do?)

02-22-2002, 04:22 PM	#21
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 651	While Tolkien did not like Narnia because of its allegory, he many times expressed his appreciation of Lewis's writings. In <I>Letters</I>, the Professor praises <I>Out of the Silent Planet</I> very highly. __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

02-22-2002, 05:17 PM	#22
Tarlondeion Of Gondolin Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Gondolin the fair Posts: 94	HP is great, but their different, their just good books. Tolkiens something more something......................................... ..............magical?

02-22-2002, 05:48 PM	#23
Lush Fair and Cold Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the big onion Posts: 1,770	For all the nasty criticism that befell <B>Harry Potter</B> (and continues to rain down on J.K. Rowling's head as I type this post), one thing the books certainly <I>did</I> do, is turn the kids away from mindless TV-consumption and gory video games, and get them to read again!<BR>Reading, as you may know, helps the brain to develop. <BR>Personally speaking, I have enjoyed Harry & Co.'s antics very much, and can't wait for the next installment. __________________ ~The beginning is the word and the end is silence. And in between are all the stories. This is one of mine~

02-22-2002, 06:18 PM	#24
Elven-Maiden Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 297	I loved the Narnia books! I think my favourites were <B>The Horse and His Boy</B> and <B>The Silver Chair</B>. As soon as I finish Tolkien's books, I'll give HP a fair chance.<P>Thank you all! <P>Oh.... and on a similar note I was wondering if you could all recomment ONE book! Not a series, not a tie between two... and not a link to the other thread about books, but ONE book that you would recommend reading. I'm hungry for books, but huge listrs overwhelm me! <BR>Thanks __________________ Tout ce qui est or ne brille pas, Tous ceux qui errent ne sont pas perdus. Mobilis in Mobile

02-22-2002, 10:54 PM	#25
Rosa Underhill Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waymeet, the Shire Posts: 297	Just one? Mm... eyes get wide, Rosa looks scared, starts chewing nails Boy, I read so much and most of it in a series...Ummmm.... How 'bout.... "Dinotopia" by James Gurney. It's filled with bunches of cool illustrations and is all about the adventures of a shipwrecked man and his son on an island inhabited by civilized dinosaurs that can talk! It's so cool! If you're not into dinos, let me know and I'll suggest something else. __________________ WWAHD? (What would a Hobbit do?)

02-23-2002, 08:06 AM	#26
Nova Pile O'Bones Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: New York Posts: 14	I think a huge difference between LotR and HP, one that makes LotR seem much more magical (despite the relative shortage of actual magic) is the setting. HP is based on fictional aspects of a familiar world. But LotR is an entirely new environment, which action taking place all over the map, in all kinds of areas. It makes it feel much...grander.<P>Mmm...wish I could recommend some good fantasy lit...I read more sci-fi. Although, I do like the Death Gate Cycle, though sometimes I feel as if I'm the only one. You might try reading Dragon Wing, but only if you're willing to get caught up in a series. __________________ ...in Khazad-dûm his wisdom died... "Now come, you filth! You've hurt my master, you brute, and you'll pay for it. We're going on; but we'll settle with you first. Come on, and taste it again!" "If I'm to go on, then I must take your sword, by your leave, Mr. Frodo, but I'll put this one to lie by you, as it lay by the old king in the barrow; and you've got your beautiful mithril coat from old Mr. Bilbo. And your star-glass, Mr. Frodo, you did lend it to me and I'll need it, for I'll be always in the dark now. It's too good for me, and the Lady gave it to you, but maybe she'd understand. Do you understand, Mr. Frodo? I've got to go on." -Nova

02-23-2002, 09:36 AM	#27
Starbreeze Ghost of a Smile Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Mirkwood - Middle Earth Posts: 389	I love the Death Gate Cycle! You are not alone! __________________ Do not tamper with the affairs of wizards, they are not all that subtle - Terry Pratchett To write is to make dreams, to make dreams is to awaken the fantasy of the mind, to awaken the mind is to be a master.

02-23-2002, 11:11 AM	#28
Rosa Underhill Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waymeet, the Shire Posts: 297	Whoo hoo! That makes counts on fingers four Death Gate Cycle fans that I know of! Those are great books! __________________ WWAHD? (What would a Hobbit do?)

02-23-2002, 11:35 AM	#29
Elven-Maiden Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 297	jumps up and down, and starts frantically looking for money to raid the bookstore Thank you all SO much! __________________ Tout ce qui est or ne brille pas, Tous ceux qui errent ne sont pas perdus. Mobilis in Mobile

02-23-2002, 11:53 AM	#30
avarerniliel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: In front of the moniter... Posts: 58	Dinotopia is a great series Rosa, my favorite in fact, besides the Redwall series, but that gets a little repetitive. <P>There are many similarities between HP and LOTR, but you could say the same for all fantasy stories. Good vs. Evil, one really bad guy, one very good guy, but is it just me, or does Gandalf represent Dumbledore? Alot. If you're looking for a good read though, it's kind of old but Heinlen's<I>The Starbeast</I> and <I>The Rolling Stones</I> are both great.

02-23-2002, 03:26 PM	#31
Rosa Underhill Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waymeet, the Shire Posts: 297	Dinotopia is good but I'm not fond of it's sequels. "The World Beneath" was okay but not as good as the first. And I hated "First Flight". It was like a bad Disney sequel with more realistic art! Auck! <P>As for LotR and HP. LotR basically started up the fantasy/sword and sorcery genre we know today. Every stereotypical wizard that I can think of in modern literature stems from ideas of Gandalf, good or bad. Dumbledore can't help but resemble Gandalf, it seems. But LotR is the best. __________________ WWAHD? (What would a Hobbit do?)

02-27-2002, 07:47 PM	#32
Airetalathwen Animated Skeleton Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Greenwood the Great Posts: 28	Very true, that it is impossible to compare theses two books. IMO, there are some major differences in these books that were not mentioned here. (This could start a majorly hot discussion, but here goes.)<P>First, in LOTR, the idea is to get rid of the magic, because you cannot weild it for good. The ring (ie: magic) is bad, and cannot be used for good. In Harry Potter, magic is seen as being fun and okay to use, as long as you use it for good. From my experience, magic in the real world is always creepy and goes hand in hand with evil things of all kinds.<P>And, sorry to burst your bubble, but J.K Rowling isn't as big of a genius as you might think. Her books follow a certain pattern of Brittish novel writing that was developed a while ago. So its' not altogether her own original style. (My Aunt teaches Advanced Placement literature and she knows her stuff!) <P>My personal reason for not being a huge HP fan, is that people decided to make this popular. I heard a radio interview with marketers who admitted that they didn't care if the book was all that great or not, but kids would like it and read it, just because THEY were going to MAKE it popular. I hate having things like that decided for me, and be one of the mindless masses....(NO offense to anyone here, I'm not talking about you, but rather about people who really don't think. And if you really don't think, then I AM talking about you. ) <P>Sorry for the long post and controversial ideas! This is only my opinion, and I'm prepared to get flamed <P>~Airetalathwen __________________ I heard an old voice say~ "Don't go far from the land The seasons have their way~ No mortal can understand"

02-27-2002, 08:53 PM	#33
Rosa Underhill Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waymeet, the Shire Posts: 297	Rosa aims flame thrower, then blows out the flame <P>The only thing I disagree with is what you said about magic in Middle-earth. The Ring wasn't the only object to have magic in ME, it was just the most malevolent at the time. And not all magic is bad (remember that magic is generic term that describes what the observer doesn't understand. Science is magic to those who don't know how it works; the sunset is magic just because it's so beautiful, etc, etc.).<P>Aside from that, no beef from me. Good points! __________________ WWAHD? (What would a Hobbit do?)

03-07-2002, 02:03 PM	#34
menegrist Guest Posts: n/a	I like hp, but I love LOTR it is great!<BR>but my favourite book is ' Quo Vadis' and The Hobbit<BR>Do you read them?

03-07-2002, 02:06 PM	#35
menegrist Guest Posts: n/a	my fauvorite books are...<BR>of course<BR>Sorry I speak some English<BR>I learn it