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Deiagorn · 01-10-2003, 06:15 PM

I have been reasing LOTR for about 4 months now and I'm fasinated with the types of race.
Are there any web-sites that tell you details about every LOTR's speacie good and evil?
Otherwise if anyone dare's step up to the challenge, could you write up for me a list of speacies and some details for them?
Thank you.

- Deiagorn

zacattack · 01-10-2003, 06:22 PM

Add me to MSN at zacattack90@hotmail.com and I wil further explain to you

There are the following races on Middle-Earth

Elves-I'm sure you know what they are [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
Men: " "
Dwavres: " "
Maia:Sauron,Saruman and Gandalf are all Maiar which are like demi-gods
Ents:Old beings just like walking Tree
Hobbits:Frodo,Sam,Pippi and Merry come to mind
Trolls:Big sluggish things [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
Orcs:Evil things,mokery of Elves

I think that about covers everything just basic stuff anyway

Galorme · 01-10-2003, 06:30 PM

Valar: Higher order Maiar, spirits like the Maia

The Valar and the Maiar are both groups of Ainur, which are Angels. There are also Umaiar, which are evil Maiar (anti-Maia or ex-maia).

There are also creatures that defy clasification. Tom Bombadil and Ungoliant (sp) for example, they may be Ainur, or just something, powers-that-be sort of thing. Along the same lines there are Eagles and Hounds, talking beings which are sometimes stated or suggested to be Maiar, sometimes not.

Deiagorn · 01-10-2003, 06:42 PM

Thank you.

01-11-2003, 05:58 PM

A really good site for histories and stuff of the middle earth is thereandbackagain.net
it has a lot of info on races and great pictures.

MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie · 01-11-2003, 07:25 PM

Wargs, ophilants (like elephants), and dragons count, do they not? Or are they something else or considered animals?

Shadowstrife911 · 01-12-2003, 01:36 AM

Wargs and Dragons are intelligent creatures, so I'm assuming they would be considered races.

Aule · 01-12-2003, 05:46 AM

dragons would be counted possibly amongst the races, but not oliphaunts or wargs as they are basicly just animals and not of a higher order like man or elves.
Thx for telling me otherwise i wouldn't have checked [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] Yeah it was pretty stupid

Yavanna Kementari · 01-12-2003, 07:34 AM

There are alot but I will try and name them all for you.
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Ungoliant and the balrogs are also Maia [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
There is:
Eru- Illùvatar- The ONE
Ainur- the Holy ones.
Valar- the Powers.(protectors of MiddleEarth)
| |
Lords Valier- Queens IN due order
--------------------------
Manwë Varda
Ulmo Yavanna
Aulë Nienna
Oromë Estë
Mandos Vairë
Lórien Vána
Tulkas Nessa
*Melkor is no longer counted among the Valar
---------------------------------------------
The Maiar- the same order of the Valar but a lesser degree. They are servants and helpers.
I will not get into names here it is too much. But among them are :
The Istari- Wizards
Sauruman
Gandalf
Pollando
Radagast
Aiwendil
Alatar
Also The Valaraukar(balrogs), the sun and moon, Ungloiant and Sauron are all Maiar
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Elves
Men
Dwarves
Hobbits
Beornings- shape shifters
Eagles
Wolves

olvar ( growing things with roots in the earth)

kelvar ( animals and all living things that move)
Tom Bombadil and his wife
Mearas
Oliphaunts

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The Barrow wights
Trolls
Goblins
Orcs
Uruk-Hai
Werewolves
Vampires
Wargs
The giantSpiders-Shelob(children ofUngoliant)
Úlairi -The Nazgul
Crebain
Urulóki- fire serpents (dragons)
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I think that covers alot of the races. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
hope this helps you! ~Yavanna

[ January 12, 2003: Message edited by: Yavanna Kementari ]

Galorme · 01-12-2003, 09:35 AM

hmm a lot of people there aren't strictly Races. Ungoliant isn't a Maia, she doesn't serve a Vala. The Balrogs are Ex-Maiar, as is Sauron, they all used to be Maiar. Olvar and kelvar? Now were getting silly, they aren't races, they are plants and animals. Beornings are a race of Men, and they are not all shape shifters I dont think.

What are Crebain? Is that the Kraken or something totally different? Uruks and Goblins are breeds of Orc. Urulóki are a type of Dragon, the other type being the Cold Drakes.

Sorry that is a brilliant list of beings, but races (talking peoples) can probably be summed up as:

Men
Elves
Ainur
Dwarfs
Orcs
Spirited beings (anything that is inhabited by a spirit: Ents, Werewolves, Eagles and so forth)

Yavanna that is a very good and very ott list [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Nostie · 01-12-2003, 12:58 PM

I had to do a brief intro to races in middle earth for school, this is what i got [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]minus the main races, like elves,men, hobbits)
Balrogs: Maiar spirits who served Melkor, the Dark Enemy
Eagles:
Noblest of the winged creatures of Arda
-brought forth by Manwë,Yavanna, messengers of Manwe
Nazgul: (are they actually a race?)
-once powerful kings and sorcerers among Men
-each given a Ring of Power by Sauron
-became wraiths entirely by the 23rd century, and thralls that sought only to serve Sauron
Barrow-wights:
Many tortured spirits fled from the Witch-kingdom of Angmar to seek shelter from the light of the Sun; demons who had become disembodied looking for other bodies in which their evil spirits could dwell. And so it was the Barrow-wights came into being, who animated the bones and jewelled armour of the ancient Kings of Men.

Does anyone have info about the winged beasts the Nazgul ride?
this is all i found:
Winged Beasts Which Elves and Men had no name. They were ancient beasts that had come into the World before the Count of Time. [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]

Galorme · 01-13-2003, 10:30 AM

At a guess I would say the winged beasts were things corrupted by Melkor from eagles before the awakening of the elves. Barrow Wights and Black Riders are not really races as such, they are dead people, or people that should be dead but wont go to mandos (and beyond).

Rumil · 01-17-2003, 06:53 PM

Good lists, but what about the giants ?

Do halforcs, half-elves, petty dwarves, woses, mewlips, ogres and pygmies count?

Ithaeliel · 01-17-2003, 09:22 PM

What about neekerbreekers? I'm not really clear on what they are, but I know they exist in Middle-earth... aren't they swamp ghouls of some kind?

Galorme: The crebain were the crows, some of which were the spies of Saruman (Do the words "Crebain from Dunland!" ring a bell?)

Let's see if I can name a few others, Yavanna basically covered most of them... There are also the Huorns, of which Old Man Willow may well be (the less 'awake' trees than the Ents). Of the orcs there were the snaga, the weaker breed, slaves of Sauron; the Uruks, warriors; and the Moria orcs, whom one could consider a subterranean species, seeing they have developed such huge eyes.

Galorme · 01-18-2003, 04:08 AM

You can hardly call some birds a race can you? They were on a side, but at one point every single creature was on a side (cf the war of wrath).

01-10-2003, 06:15 PM	#1
Deiagorn Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Posts: 23	Races of Midde Earth>> I have been reasing LOTR for about 4 months now and I'm fasinated with the types of race. Are there any web-sites that tell you details about every LOTR's speacie good and evil? Otherwise if anyone dare's step up to the challenge, could you write up for me a list of speacies and some details for them? Thank you. - Deiagorn __________________ ÐëÎÃGôRÑ ôf â§ëÑdÖR

01-10-2003, 06:22 PM	#2
zacattack Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Angband Posts: 70	Add me to MSN at zacattack90@hotmail.com and I wil further explain to you There are the following races on Middle-Earth Elves-I'm sure you know what they are [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Men: " " Dwavres: " " Maia:Sauron,Saruman and Gandalf are all Maiar which are like demi-gods Ents:Old beings just like walking Tree Hobbits:Frodo,Sam,Pippi and Merry come to mind Trolls:Big sluggish things [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] Orcs:Evil things,mokery of Elves I think that about covers everything just basic stuff anyway __________________ "The dwarf breathes so loud we could have shot him in the dark "What an excellent spot I choose"-Gimli "Would you like me to describe it to you or just fetch for a box"-Legolas

01-10-2003, 06:30 PM	#3
Galorme Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London Posts: 337	Valar: Higher order Maiar, spirits like the Maia The Valar and the Maiar are both groups of Ainur, which are Angels. There are also Umaiar, which are evil Maiar (anti-Maia or ex-maia). There are also creatures that defy clasification. Tom Bombadil and Ungoliant (sp) for example, they may be Ainur, or just something, powers-that-be sort of thing. Along the same lines there are Eagles and Hounds, talking beings which are sometimes stated or suggested to be Maiar, sometimes not. __________________ Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! The day has come! Behold people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!

01-10-2003, 06:42 PM	#4
Deiagorn Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Posts: 23	Thank you. __________________ ÐëÎÃGôRÑ ôf â§ëÑdÖR

01-11-2003, 07:25 PM	#6
MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 573	Wargs, ophilants (like elephants), and dragons count, do they not? Or are they something else or considered animals? __________________ Do Not Touch -Willie

01-11-2003, 05:58 PM	#5
Nenuial Guest Posts: n/a	A really good site for histories and stuff of the middle earth is thereandbackagain.net it has a lot of info on races and great pictures.

01-12-2003, 01:36 AM	#7
Shadowstrife911 Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 30	Wargs and Dragons are intelligent creatures, so I'm assuming they would be considered races. __________________ "It needs more to make a king than a piece of elvish glass, or a rabble such as this." -the Mouth of Sauron

01-12-2003, 05:46 AM	#8
Aule Wight Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hammering away in Valinor Posts: 126	dragons would be counted possibly amongst the races, but not oliphaunts or wargs as they are basicly just animals and not of a higher order like man or elves. Thx for telling me otherwise i wouldn't have checked [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] Yeah it was pretty stupid __________________ For him that is pitiless, the deeds of pity are ever strange and beyond reckoning - of Melkor before his final downfall

01-12-2003, 07:34 AM	#9
Yavanna Kementari Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 97	There are alot but I will try and name them all for you. ----------------------------------------- Ungoliant and the balrogs are also Maia [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] There is: Eru- Illùvatar- The ONE Ainur- the Holy ones. Valar- the Powers.(protectors of MiddleEarth) \| \| Lords Valier- Queens IN due order -------------------------- Manwë Varda Ulmo Yavanna Aulë Nienna Oromë Estë Mandos Vairë Lórien Vána Tulkas Nessa *Melkor is no longer counted among the Valar --------------------------------------------- The Maiar- the same order of the Valar but a lesser degree. They are servants and helpers. I will not get into names here it is too much. But among them are : The Istari- Wizards Sauruman Gandalf Pollando Radagast Aiwendil Alatar Also The Valaraukar(balrogs), the sun and moon, Ungloiant and Sauron are all Maiar -------------------------------------------- Elves Men Dwarves Hobbits Beornings- shape shifters Eagles Wolves olvar ( growing things with roots in the earth) kelvar ( animals and all living things that move) Tom Bombadil and his wife Mearas Oliphaunts -------- The Barrow wights Trolls Goblins Orcs Uruk-Hai Werewolves Vampires Wargs The giantSpiders-Shelob(children ofUngoliant) Úlairi -The Nazgul Crebain Urulóki- fire serpents (dragons) -------------------------------------- I think that covers alot of the races. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] hope this helps you! ~Yavanna [ January 12, 2003: Message edited by: Yavanna Kementari ] __________________ "Nonetheless they will have need of wood." Aulë speaking to Yavanna of Dwarves :P to you Aulë

01-12-2003, 09:35 AM	#10
Galorme Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London Posts: 337	hmm a lot of people there aren't strictly Races. Ungoliant isn't a Maia, she doesn't serve a Vala. The Balrogs are Ex-Maiar, as is Sauron, they all used to be Maiar. Olvar and kelvar? Now were getting silly, they aren't races, they are plants and animals. Beornings are a race of Men, and they are not all shape shifters I dont think. What are Crebain? Is that the Kraken or something totally different? Uruks and Goblins are breeds of Orc. Urulóki are a type of Dragon, the other type being the Cold Drakes. Sorry that is a brilliant list of beings, but races (talking peoples) can probably be summed up as: Men Elves Ainur Dwarfs Orcs Spirited beings (anything that is inhabited by a spirit: Ents, Werewolves, Eagles and so forth) Yavanna that is a very good and very ott list [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! The day has come! Behold people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!

01-12-2003, 12:58 PM	#11
Nostie Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 12	I had to do a brief intro to races in middle earth for school, this is what i got [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]minus the main races, like elves,men, hobbits) Balrogs: Maiar spirits who served Melkor, the Dark Enemy Eagles: Noblest of the winged creatures of Arda -brought forth by Manwë,Yavanna, messengers of Manwe Nazgul: (are they actually a race?) -once powerful kings and sorcerers among Men -each given a Ring of Power by Sauron -became wraiths entirely by the 23rd century, and thralls that sought only to serve Sauron Barrow-wights: Many tortured spirits fled from the Witch-kingdom of Angmar to seek shelter from the light of the Sun; demons who had become disembodied looking for other bodies in which their evil spirits could dwell. And so it was the Barrow-wights came into being, who animated the bones and jewelled armour of the ancient Kings of Men. Does anyone have info about the winged beasts the Nazgul ride? this is all i found: Winged Beasts Which Elves and Men had no name. They were ancient beasts that had come into the World before the Count of Time. [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]

01-13-2003, 10:30 AM	#12
Galorme Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London Posts: 337	At a guess I would say the winged beasts were things corrupted by Melkor from eagles before the awakening of the elves. Barrow Wights and Black Riders are not really races as such, they are dead people, or people that should be dead but wont go to mandos (and beyond). __________________ Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! The day has come! Behold people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!

01-17-2003, 06:53 PM	#13
Rumil Sage & Onions Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Britain Posts: 894	Good lists, but what about the giants ? Do halforcs, half-elves, petty dwarves, woses, mewlips, ogres and pygmies count? __________________ Rumil of Coedhirion

01-17-2003, 09:22 PM	#14
Ithaeliel Cornus Caliga Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Five-hundred-twenty-five thousand, six hundred minutes from here Posts: 710	What about neekerbreekers? I'm not really clear on what they are, but I know they exist in Middle-earth... aren't they swamp ghouls of some kind? Galorme: The crebain were the crows, some of which were the spies of Saruman (Do the words "Crebain from Dunland!" ring a bell?) Let's see if I can name a few others, Yavanna basically covered most of them... There are also the Huorns, of which Old Man Willow may well be (the less 'awake' trees than the Ents). Of the orcs there were the snaga, the weaker breed, slaves of Sauron; the Uruks, warriors; and the Moria orcs, whom one could consider a subterranean species, seeing they have developed such huge eyes. __________________ That best portion of a good man's life, His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. .................William Wordsworth

01-18-2003, 04:08 AM	#15
Galorme Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London Posts: 337	You can hardly call some birds a race can you? They were on a side, but at one point every single creature was on a side (cf the war of wrath). __________________ Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! The day has come! Behold people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!