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01-16-2002, 11:47 AM

how come when ever frodo put the ring on you couldn't tell right from left? when bilbo put it on he just walked right up to bag end slipped it off and closed the door?and that one scene when frodo put it on to get away from borimir he climbed that statue and saw the eye?help me out here people.

01-16-2002, 11:49 AM

i have no idea!!!!!!!!!!!!

mordor136 · 01-16-2002, 11:53 AM

you got me the only thing i can guess is when sam put on the ring he discribes it as a foggy haze

01-16-2002, 12:07 PM

Ah, yet another downfall of the movie. One reason for frodo having a different experience with the ring is this: It was 17 years between the time Bilbo left the Party and Frodo took up the quest. (They didn't let you know this in the movie.) Therefore, by this point in time Sauron was searching for the ring and bending his power toward it, rendering the outcome of putting on the ring different for Frodo than for Bilbo. The eye was looking for his ring now, and was bent towards it much like a dog picking up the scent of his prey.[ January 17, 2002: Message edited by: Rhudladion ]

Maeglin · 01-16-2002, 12:56 PM

Yes, I would say so too. But they could have been a little more clear on it.

Elrian · 01-16-2002, 05:19 PM

In the movie, the first time Frodo had the ring on was in Bree. It was in an envelope prior to that, so he wasn't experienced with the effects it had.

01-17-2002, 08:31 AM

Elrian, I think Legolas33's question is centered more around why the effect of the ring was different for Frodo than for Bilbo. I am inclined to think that the ring didn't take Bilbo into the "hazy realm" as it did Frodo. Legolas, is this correct or am I mistaken?

Bad Fairy · 01-17-2002, 08:40 AM

Both Gandulf and Frodo experienced the Eye when coming into contact with the ring (Gandulf when it was left on the floor by Bilbo when he left) Also, Frodo saw the Eye when looking into the mirror of Galadriel.neither Gandult or Frodo were wearing the ring on these occasions yet the ring had grown in strength enough since Bilbos time to allow the eye to get through.Well, thats my take on it

01-17-2002, 10:42 AM

Again, it's not that the ring grew in strength; it's that Sauron was bending all his will towards finding it.

zifnab · 01-17-2002, 11:23 AM

I agree with Rhudladion.

zifnab · 01-17-2002, 12:38 PM

I was looking for a quote in the book and I came across this one, it might not mean much, but maybe even when Bilbo had the ring, Sauron was starting to bend his full will on it. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> “It has been growing on my mind lately. Sometimes I have felt it was like an eye looking at me.”<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Bilbo says this to Gandalf before he leaves the Shire.But over the years , Sauron spent more and more of his power and will over searching for the ring. Hence the effect on Frodo, when he wears the ring.

01-17-2002, 12:56 PM

Excellent quote, Zifnab!

01-17-2002, 06:11 PM

Which ever one of you is using my old name stop now. And about the question I think it is bacause the ring wants to do what ever it can to not be destroyed.

Dûrkriswen · 01-17-2002, 06:39 PM

In the book, when you put on the ring, your sight becomes slightly dim, they seem to have exagerated that a lot in the movie. The reason Frodo saw the eye at the rock was because it was a special seat (I forget the name) where the kings of old could look out over all the surrounding land (including the realm of Sauron). Read the last few pages of the FOTR and you will read all that Frodo saw. Also, with the ring on so close to Mordor, Sauron was bound to feel its presence and come searching for it with his eye. In the book, however, Frodo "feels" the eye searching for him, rather than see it. The shire was far away from Mordor, and at the time Bilbo put it on, Sauron didn't have his eye turned that way. In the movie, the eye appears to Frodo at Bree, that should have been cut out, it doesn't fit with the book. So to put in short all that I just said, THE MOVIE IS MESSED UP! I hate it when they change stuff!!

Enkanowen · 01-25-2002, 03:41 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Dûrkriswen: So to put in short all that I just said, THE MOVIE IS MESSED UP! I hate it when they change stuff!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>As I say to everyone who says this: "Get over it, you'll never be able to have a movie that is exactly true to the book" Learn how movies work and you'll know why.Besides, I think it would be different for Frodo, because Sauron is watching him AND he knows Frodo is trying to destroy the ring. Bilbo didn't even know what the ring really was, neither did Gollum.

01-16-2002, 11:47 AM	#1
legolas33 Guest Posts: n/a	whats with that?? how come when ever frodo put the ring on you couldn't tell right from left?<BR>when bilbo put it on he just walked right up to bag end slipped it off and closed the door?and that one scene when frodo put it on to get away from borimir he climbed that statue and saw the eye?help me out here people.

01-16-2002, 11:53 AM	#3
mordor136 Wight Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: snowboarding with Morgoth in the void Posts: 221	you got me the only thing i can guess is when sam put on the ring he discribes it as a foggy haze __________________ It's not A.D.D I'm just ignoring you. I'm like a super-hero with no powers or motivation

01-16-2002, 12:07 PM	#4
rhudladion Guest Posts: n/a	Ah, yet another downfall of the movie. One reason for frodo having a different experience with the ring is this: It was 17 years between the time Bilbo left the Party and Frodo took up the quest. (They didn't let you know this in the movie.) Therefore, by this point in time Sauron was searching for the ring and bending his power toward it, rendering the outcome of putting on the ring different for Frodo than for Bilbo. The eye was looking for his ring now, and was bent towards it much like a dog picking up the scent of his prey.<p>[ January 17, 2002: Message edited by: Rhudladion ]

01-16-2002, 12:56 PM	#5
Maeglin Wight Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nan Elmoth Posts: 136	Yes, I would say so too. But they could have been a little more clear on it. __________________ The fool speaks of what he knows. The wise knows what he speaks of.

01-16-2002, 05:19 PM	#6
Elrian Eldar Spirit of Truth Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Land of the FREE, Home of the BRAVE Posts: 794	In the movie, the first time Frodo had the ring on was in Bree. It was in an envelope prior to that, so he wasn't experienced with the effects it had. __________________ ~Call me a relic, call me what you will. Say I'm old fashioned , say I'm over the hill. That old whine ain't got no soul. I'll stick to Old Toby and a Hobbit hole.~

01-16-2002, 11:49 AM	#2
orc999 Guest Posts: n/a	i have no idea!!!!!!!!!!!!

01-17-2002, 08:31 AM	#7
rhudladion Guest Posts: n/a	Elrian, I think Legolas33's question is centered more around why the effect of the ring was different for Frodo than for Bilbo. I am inclined to think that the ring didn't take Bilbo into the "hazy realm" as it did Frodo. Legolas, is this correct or am I mistaken?

01-17-2002, 08:40 AM	#8
Bad Fairy Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Beneath the Misty Mountains Posts: 15	Both Gandulf and Frodo experienced the Eye when coming into contact with the ring (Gandulf when it was left on the floor by Bilbo when he left) Also, Frodo saw the Eye when looking into the mirror of Galadriel.<P>neither Gandult or Frodo were wearing the ring on these occasions yet the ring had grown in strength enough since Bilbos time to allow the eye to get through.<P>Well, thats my take on it __________________ "Rise up, Witches, throw off your masks And cease crying guilt for ancient crimes; Earth and all her children need us, For ALL face now the Burning Times." - L. A. Hussey

01-17-2002, 10:42 AM	#9
rhudladion Guest Posts: n/a	Again, it's not that the ring grew in strength; it's that Sauron was bending all his will towards finding it.

01-17-2002, 11:23 AM	#10
zifnab Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: omni-presence Posts: 329	I agree with Rhudladion. __________________ Facebook.

01-17-2002, 12:38 PM	#11
zifnab Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: omni-presence Posts: 329	I was looking for a quote in the book and I came across this one, it might not mean much, but maybe even when Bilbo had the ring, Sauron was starting to bend his full will on it.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> “It has been growing on my mind lately. Sometimes I have felt it was like an eye looking at me.”<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Bilbo says this to Gandalf before he leaves the Shire.<P>But over the years , Sauron spent more and more of his power and will over searching for the ring. Hence the effect on Frodo, when he wears the ring. __________________ Facebook.

01-17-2002, 12:56 PM	#12
RHUDLADION Guest Posts: n/a	Excellent quote, Zifnab!

01-17-2002, 06:11 PM	#13
Nazgul Guest Posts: n/a	Which ever one of you is using my old name stop now. And about the question I think it is bacause the ring wants to do what ever it can to not be destroyed.

01-17-2002, 06:39 PM	#14
Dûrkriswen Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lothlorien Posts: 12	In the book, when you put on the ring, your sight becomes slightly dim, they seem to have exagerated that a lot in the movie. The reason Frodo saw the eye at the rock was because it was a special seat (I forget the name) where the kings of old could look out over all the surrounding land (including the realm of Sauron). Read the last few pages of the FOTR and you will read all that Frodo saw. Also, with the ring on so close to Mordor, Sauron was bound to feel its presence and come searching for it with his eye. In the book, however, Frodo "feels" the eye searching for him, rather than see it. The shire was far away from Mordor, and at the time Bilbo put it on, Sauron didn't have his eye turned that way. In the movie, the eye appears to Frodo at Bree, that should have been cut out, it doesn't fit with the book. So to put in short all that I just said, THE MOVIE IS MESSED UP! I hate it when they change stuff!! __________________ http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/...2320898899.jpg

01-25-2002, 03:41 AM	#15
Enkanowen Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 53	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Dûrkriswen:<BR><STRONG>So to put in short all that I just said, THE MOVIE IS MESSED UP! I hate it when they change stuff!!</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>As I say to everyone who says this: "Get over it, you'll never be able to have a movie that is exactly true to the book"<BR>Learn how movies work and you'll know why.<P>Besides, I think it would be different for Frodo, because Sauron is watching him AND he knows Frodo is trying to destroy the ring. Bilbo didn't even know what the ring really was, neither did Gollum.