Portrayal of Rohirrim - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

WarBringer · 12-11-2002, 02:31 PM

I just saw the trailer for the two towers on the dvd(like a kid who throws away the card and takes the gift, i did the same with the special features disk)While i do realize that the rohirrim are akin to the numenoreans, why is it that PJ made them look so much like he numenoreans during the battle?Is the kinship the sole reason. The trailer showed the rohirrim using the sme type of weapon that the numenoreans used in the fellowship prolouge. Why is this?

Tigerlily Gamgee · 12-11-2002, 02:33 PM

Are you speaking of when you see them riding with Eomer or at Helm's Deep?

WarBringer · 12-11-2002, 02:42 PM

Helm's Deep was what i was thinking about...

Tigerlily Gamgee · 12-11-2002, 02:47 PM

Oh... highlight the following to read the answer (spoilers):The armor you are seeing is not that of the Rohirrim... it is in fact Elvish armor because the Elves come to Helm's Deep to fufill their alliance with the men (such as the battle in the beginning of the first movie). It's actually a nice touch, in my opinion... you will see for yourself soon enough! OK, so now it makes sense.[ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: Tigerlily Gamgee ][ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: Tigerlily Gamgee ]

WarBringer · 12-11-2002, 02:56 PM

would that also make the weaponry elvish? Surely the people of Rohan have customary weaponry?[ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: WarBringer ]

WarBringer · 12-11-2002, 02:59 PM

Also, if anyone has any comments on the portrayal of the Rohirrim, please post them.

Tigerlily Gamgee · 12-11-2002, 03:03 PM

Sorry I keep doing this "highlight" thing, I just don't want people who don't want to be spoiled to read these on accident... Big Spoilers if you highlight Most of the shots you see at Helm's Deep are the Elves with their armory and weaponry. The men who are part of the Rohirrim are very old or very young and have weaponry that's not exactly up to par. Eomer and his men are not at Helm's Deep, so those who are fighting for Rohan are not really men who are meant to fight. If the Elves didn't come they would've been screwed! So, in the shots in the preview you really aren't seeing the Rohirrim at all, you are only seeing the Elves (they are the ones who line the wall with Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli).. you'll see this better in the film. It is all done very well & the way the people of Rohan are handled while preparing for war is very emotional and very real to what people have been through on this earth. Whew! That was a mouthful.

Manwe Sulimo · 12-11-2002, 03:10 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> While i do realize that the rohirrim are akin to the numenoreans <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The Rohirrim were not akin to the Númenóreans. Númenórean blood was only in Gondor, where Elendil, Isildur, and Anárion landed during the Second Age. The Rohirrim lived under the eaves of Mirkwood up until about the twenty-third century TA. They were probably closer related to the Easterlings than to the Edain.

WarBringer · 12-11-2002, 03:26 PM

it is stated in Unfinished tales that Gondor gave Rohan to Eorl, which would make them akin, correct?

-Imrahil- · 12-11-2002, 05:59 PM

The Numenoreans are not related to the Rohirrim. I think, as someone previously said, they are more closely related to the Easterlings. And also I got the impression that Numenoreans were generally dark-haired and Rohirrim always blonde. Is this true?[ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: -Imrahil- ]

WarBringer · 12-11-2002, 06:44 PM

i think that all rohirrim are blonde haired, while Gondorians have dirty blonde-brown hair, although this may just be because of PJ's portrayal...

Manwe Sulimo · 12-11-2002, 07:33 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> it is stated in Unfinished tales that Gondor gave Rohan to Eorl, which would make them akin, correct? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>So? If you gave a friend an acre of a 4-acre lot, would that make you brothers? And even so, by then the Gondorians weren't necessarily Númenóreans anymore.

Arwen Imladris · 12-12-2002, 01:25 PM

So long as they have blond hair I will be O.K. (The hobbits hair and Boromir's hair reallybothered me)

WarBringer · 12-13-2002, 10:21 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> So? If you gave a friend an acre of a 4-acre lot, would that make you brothers? And even so, by then the Gondorians weren't necessarily Númenóreans anymore. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Manwe, thats completely wrong. Of course they are still numenorean. You dont lose your ancestry over the course of time. Both gondor and rohan's people of numenorean blood, and as such, they are distantly related.

12-11-2002, 02:31 PM	#1
WarBringer Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wandering The North Posts: 184	Portrayal of Rohirrim I just saw the trailer for the two towers on the dvd(like a kid who throws away the card and takes the gift, i did the same with the special features disk)While i do realize that the rohirrim are akin to the numenoreans, why is it that PJ made them look so much like he numenoreans during the battle?Is the kinship the sole reason. The trailer showed the rohirrim using the sme type of weapon that the numenoreans used in the fellowship prolouge. Why is this? __________________ Fortune Favors the Bold...

12-11-2002, 02:33 PM	#2
Tigerlily Gamgee Hostess of Spirits Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Meduseld Posts: 1,055	Are you speaking of when you see them riding with Eomer or at Helm's Deep? __________________ ~ ExerciseJunky.com (Hobbits fitness of choice!)~ ~Lady of Rohan: An Eowyn Fansite ~ ~The NEW/OLD Barrow Downs Photo Page~

12-11-2002, 02:42 PM	#3
WarBringer Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wandering The North Posts: 184	Helm's Deep was what i was thinking about... __________________ Fortune Favors the Bold...

12-11-2002, 02:47 PM	#4
Tigerlily Gamgee Hostess of Spirits Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Meduseld Posts: 1,055	Oh... highlight the following to read the answer (spoilers):<P>The armor you are seeing is not that of the Rohirrim... it is in fact Elvish armor because the Elves come to Helm's Deep to fufill their alliance with the men (such as the battle in the beginning of the first movie). It's actually a nice touch, in my opinion... you will see for yourself soon enough!<BR>OK, so now it makes sense.<P>[ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: Tigerlily Gamgee ]<p>[ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: Tigerlily Gamgee ] __________________ ~ ExerciseJunky.com (Hobbits fitness of choice!)~ ~Lady of Rohan: An Eowyn Fansite ~ ~The NEW/OLD Barrow Downs Photo Page~

12-11-2002, 02:56 PM	#5
WarBringer Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wandering The North Posts: 184	would that also make the weaponry elvish? Surely the people of Rohan have customary weaponry?<p>[ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: WarBringer ] __________________ Fortune Favors the Bold...

12-11-2002, 02:59 PM	#6
WarBringer Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wandering The North Posts: 184	Also, if anyone has any comments on the portrayal of the Rohirrim, please post them. __________________ Fortune Favors the Bold...

12-11-2002, 03:03 PM	#7
Tigerlily Gamgee Hostess of Spirits Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Meduseld Posts: 1,055	Sorry I keep doing this "highlight" thing, I just don't want people who don't want to be spoiled to read these on accident... Big Spoilers if you highlight<br><BR>Most of the shots you see at Helm's Deep are the Elves with their armory and weaponry. The men who are part of the Rohirrim are very old or very young and have weaponry that's not exactly up to par. Eomer and his men are not at Helm's Deep, so those who are fighting for Rohan are not really men who are meant to fight. If the Elves didn't come they would've been screwed! So, in the shots in the preview you really aren't seeing the Rohirrim at all, you are only seeing the Elves (they are the ones who line the wall with Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli).. you'll see this better in the film. It is all done very well & the way the people of Rohan are handled while preparing for war is very emotional and very real to what people have been through on this earth.<br><BR>Whew! That was a mouthful. __________________ ~ ExerciseJunky.com (Hobbits fitness of choice!)~ ~Lady of Rohan: An Eowyn Fansite ~ ~The NEW/OLD Barrow Downs Photo Page~

12-11-2002, 03:10 PM	#8
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> While i do realize that the rohirrim are akin to the numenoreans <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>The Rohirrim were not akin to the Númenóreans. Númenórean blood was only in Gondor, where Elendil, Isildur, and Anárion landed during the Second Age. The Rohirrim lived under the eaves of Mirkwood up until about the twenty-third century TA. They were probably closer related to the Easterlings than to the Edain. __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

12-11-2002, 03:26 PM	#9
WarBringer Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wandering The North Posts: 184	it is stated in Unfinished tales that Gondor gave Rohan to Eorl, which would make them akin, correct? __________________ Fortune Favors the Bold...

12-11-2002, 05:59 PM	#10
-Imrahil- Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dol Amroth, upon the Bay of Belfalas Posts: 259	The Numenoreans are not related to the Rohirrim. I think, as someone previously said, they are more closely related to the Easterlings. <P>And also I got the impression that Numenoreans were generally dark-haired and Rohirrim always blonde. Is this true?<p>[ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: -Imrahil- ] __________________ My body is broken. I go to my fathers. And even in their mighty company I shall not now be ashamed. I felled the black serpent. A grim morn, and a glad day, and a golden sunset!

12-11-2002, 06:44 PM	#11
WarBringer Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wandering The North Posts: 184	i think that all rohirrim are blonde haired, while Gondorians have dirty blonde-brown hair, although this may just be because of PJ's portrayal... __________________ Fortune Favors the Bold...

12-11-2002, 07:33 PM	#12
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> it is stated in Unfinished tales that Gondor gave Rohan to Eorl, which would make them akin, correct? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>So? If you gave a friend an acre of a 4-acre lot, would that make you brothers? And even so, by then the Gondorians weren't necessarily Númenóreans anymore. __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

12-12-2002, 01:25 PM	#13
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	So long as they have blond hair I will be O.K. (The hobbits hair and Boromir's hair <I>really</I>bothered me) __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."

12-13-2002, 10:21 AM	#14
WarBringer Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wandering The North Posts: 184	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> So? If you gave a friend an acre of a 4-acre lot, would that make you brothers? And even so, by then the Gondorians weren't necessarily Númenóreans anymore. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Manwe, thats completely wrong. Of course they are still numenorean. You dont lose your ancestry over the course of time. Both gondor and rohan's people of numenorean blood, and as such, they are distantly related. __________________ Fortune Favors the Bold...