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amyrlis · 01-31-2001, 01:22 PM

I have a question! First, I must ask for forgiveness because I was visiting another Tolkien site! Sorry BW! Anyway, on that site I was reviewing a frame-by-frame analysis of the movie trailer. There is one scene depicting Aragorn in a battle scene. The analizer(sp?) is assuming this scene is of Helms Deep and mentions that Aragorn is 'backed-up' by some Elf warriors. He/she assumes they are elves because they are wearing samuri-like battle gear, which is what elf warriors were wearing during the filming (so the movie spies reported). My question is this: Were elves a part of the battle at Helms Deep, other than Legolas? Maybe Elrohir & Elladan were there too, can't remember right now. And, aside from the Helms Deep scene, were there elves partaking in battle anywhere in LotR? I don't remember any host arriving from Lorien or Rivendell to save the day. Afterall, LotR took place during the 'waining of elves, Age of Men'. Perhaps I'm just not remembering correctly, or this is one of the differences between the books and the movies. Any thoughts? -amyrlis

Inziladun · 01-31-2001, 01:51 PM

In the book we're told there was fighting in Lórien and in Thranduil's realm in northern Mirkwood. However Legolas was the only Elf involved in the battle at Helm's Deep. Elladan and Elrohir did not arrive in Rohan until later. I haven't seen the trailer,and have no idea if the Samurai-like warriors were Elves,or if they were at Helm's Deep. But if they were,could be more senseless rearranging of the story. On second thought,it would be better if I didn't get going on that. <sigh> Manwë keep you under the One, and send fair wind to your sails.

the Lorien wanderer · 01-31-2001, 09:20 PM

Legolas was the only elf at the battle at Helm's Deep. I don't want to get started either. Not all those who wander are lost.

Gwaihir the Windlord · 02-01-2001, 01:04 AM

Samuri gear? Rather outlandish for Men or elves to be wearing at the Battle of the Hornburg. Most likely Elves, I s'pose. Well, I'm not going to get started either. We'll just have to wait and see how it turns out. Gwaihir the Windlord <A href="http://www.barrowdowns.com">the barrow-downs</A> 'Sing now, ye people of the Tower of Anor, for the Realm of Sauron is ended for ever, and the Dark Tower is thrown down.'

Gwaihir the Windlord · 02-01-2001, 01:08 AM

That post was a clear statement of how weary I am getting of all these stuff-ups and sci-fi addins. 'We'll just have to wait and see.' Ho hum. Gwaihir the Windlord <A href="http://www.barrowdowns.com">the barrow-downs</A> 'Sing now, ye people of the Tower of Anor, for the Realm of Sauron is ended for ever, and the Dark Tower is thrown down.' Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000022>Gwaihir the Windlord</A>  at: 2/1/01 2:11:09 am

enep · 02-01-2001, 01:28 AM

Bit of Controversy

Actually, I always imagined Elves as Samurai. In white. With pointy ears They are the elite fighting force, if you know what I mean; nimble, hardy, strong, clever. Balrogs, however, are of course superior (but they won't have wings in the movie *sigh* ) - enep

Helkahothion · 11-06-2002, 02:22 PM

In the book Legolas is the only elf entering the battle (but I guess you already know that. But to answer the other question: There are quite a lot of elves battleling at the foot of mount doom when they picture the fight of sauron Vs. the last elves and humans. Correct me if i'm mistaken but I saw a lot of elve's back then.
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arelendil · 11-06-2002, 04:01 PM

The samuri blokes are easterlings!![ November 06, 2002: Message edited by: arelendil ]

Voralphion · 11-06-2002, 07:31 PM

In the book, Legolas is the only elf at Helms Deep, but I read somewhere that in the movie Arwen brings some elves from either Lothlorien or Rivendell to help Aragorn and the others at Helms Deep.

Elenna · 11-06-2002, 07:38 PM

JRR must be writhing in his grave, but Haldir and Arwen lead a contingent of Elves to the Battle of Helm's Deep.

Helkahothion · 01-01-2003, 03:22 PM

Hi everyone, <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The samuri blokes are easterlings!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Don't think so. Why else would they be led by ELrond? No I thing they are Elf's.Greetings,Anuion
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01-31-2001, 01:22 PM	#1
amyrlis Wight Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Helcaraxe Posts: 210	Samuri "elf" warriors? <BR>I have a question! First, I must ask for forgiveness because I was visiting another Tolkien site! Sorry BW! Anyway, on that site I was reviewing a frame-by-frame analysis of the movie trailer. There is one scene depicting Aragorn in a battle scene. The analizer(sp?) is assuming this scene is of Helms Deep and mentions that Aragorn is 'backed-up' by some Elf warriors. He/she assumes they are elves because they are wearing samuri-like battle gear, which is what elf warriors were wearing during the filming (so the movie spies reported). My question is this: Were elves a part of the battle at Helms Deep, other than Legolas? Maybe Elrohir & Elladan were there too, can't remember right now. And, aside from the Helms Deep scene, were there elves partaking in battle anywhere in LotR? I don't remember any host arriving from Lorien or Rivendell to save the day. Afterall, LotR took place during the 'waining of elves, Age of Men'. Perhaps I'm just not remembering correctly, or this is one of the differences between the books and the movies. Any thoughts? <p>-amyrlis</p> __________________ "Pull the blinders from my eyes, let me see these endless skies And drown here where I stand in the beauty of the land."

01-31-2001, 01:51 PM	#2
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,037	<BR><br><br> In the book we're told there <i> was</i> fighting in Lórien and in Thranduil's realm in northern Mirkwood. However Legolas was the only Elf involved in the battle at Helm's Deep. Elladan and Elrohir did not arrive in Rohan until later. I haven't seen the trailer,and have no idea if the Samurai-like warriors were Elves,or if they were at Helm's Deep. But if they were,could be more senseless rearranging of the story. On second thought,it would be better if I didn't get going on that. <sigh> <p>Manwë keep you under the One, and send fair wind to your sails. </p> __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

01-31-2001, 09:20 PM	#3
the Lorien wanderer Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 276	<BR><br><br> Legolas was the only elf at the battle at Helm's Deep.<br> I don't want to get started either. <p>Not all those who wander are lost.</p>

02-01-2001, 01:04 AM	#4
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	<BR><br><br> Samuri gear? Rather outlandish for Men or elves to be wearing at the Battle of the Hornburg. Most likely Elves, I s'pose. Well, I'm not going to get started either. We'll just have to wait and see how it turns out. <p>Gwaihir the Windlord <I><A href="http://www.barrowdowns.com">the barrow-downs</A></I><BR> 'Sing now, ye people of the Tower of Anor,<BR> for the Realm of Sauron is ended for ever,<BR> and the Dark Tower is thrown down.'<BR></p>

02-01-2001, 01:08 AM	#5
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	<BR><br><br> That post was a clear statement of how weary I am getting of all these stuff-ups and sci-fi addins. 'We'll just have to wait and see.' Ho hum. <p>Gwaihir the Windlord <I><A href="http://www.barrowdowns.com">the barrow-downs</A></I><BR> 'Sing now, ye people of the Tower of Anor,<BR> for the Realm of Sauron is ended for ever,<BR> and the Dark Tower is thrown down.'<BR></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000022>Gwaihir the Windlord</A>  at: 2/1/01 2:11:09 am<br></i>

02-01-2001, 01:28 AM	#6
enep The Ghastly Leprechaun Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 406	<BR>Bit of Controversy </b><br><br> Actually, I always imagined Elves as Samurai. In white. With pointy ears They are the elite fighting force, if you know what I mean; nimble, hardy, strong, clever. Balrogs, however, are of course superior (but they won't have wings in the movie sigh ) <p>- <i>enep</i></p> __________________ - enep

11-06-2002, 02:22 PM	#7
Helkahothion Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The inside of Legolas' lungs Posts: 1,005	In the book Legolas is the only elf entering the battle (but I guess you already know that. But to answer the other question: There are quite a lot of elves battleling at the foot of mount doom when they picture the fight of sauron Vs. the last elves and humans. Correct me if i'm mistaken but I saw a lot of elve's back then. ________ VAPORIZER AFFILIATE Last edited by Helkahothion; 03-07-2011 at 03:51 AM.

11-06-2002, 04:01 PM	#8
arelendil Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Eryn Lasgalen Posts: 202	The samuri blokes are easterlings!!<p>[ November 06, 2002: Message edited by: arelendil ] __________________ Nai Vardo eleni ilye lumenn' enomentielvo siluvar!

11-06-2002, 07:31 PM	#9
Voralphion Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sharkey's End Posts: 267	In the book, Legolas is the only elf at Helms Deep, but I read somewhere that in the movie Arwen brings some elves from either Lothlorien or Rivendell to help Aragorn and the others at Helms Deep. __________________ His sword was long his lance was keen His shining helm afar was seen The countless stars of heavens field Were mirrored in his silver shield

11-06-2002, 07:38 PM	#10
Elenna A Ghostly Light Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: My private bubble of innocence Posts: 563	JRR must be writhing in his grave, but Haldir and Arwen lead a contingent of Elves to the Battle of Helm's Deep. __________________ If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is "God is crying." And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is "Probably because of something you did."

01-01-2003, 03:22 PM	#11
Helkahothion Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The inside of Legolas' lungs Posts: 1,005	Hi everyone,<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The samuri blokes are easterlings!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Don't think so. Why else would they be led by ELrond? No I thing they are Elf's.<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion ________ SH150i Last edited by Helkahothion; 03-07-2011 at 03:52 AM.