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01-15-2002, 09:45 PM | #1 |
Shade of Carn Dûm
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Saruman's death
What happened to Saruman after he died? It says in The Scouring of the Shire that when he died a cloud rose from his body and stretched out toward the west, but a wind came and blew it away, or something to that affect. I took that to mean that the Valar would not allow his spirit to come back to Aman. So did he just wander around ME bodiless? I don't remember if the letters said anything about this, I can't recall.
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01-15-2002, 11:36 PM | #2 |
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This will really take an expert on the Silmarillion, but I think he wasn't allowed to return to Valar and was under the impression he was snuffed. You're probably right, none of the maiar could die and even Sauron was technically still alive, unable to take form again. It seems as though he shared Sauron's fate. There are Gandalf's words that perhaps he could be redeemed, but I don't know if they applied only to while he was in living form or not. That would be awfully sad to think that some of the maiar were lost forever. If he could still somehow return and redeem himself, that would also probably mean Sauron could (potentially) as well.
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01-16-2002, 08:18 AM | #3 |
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It's possible that there is a seperate place of waiting in the Halls of Mandos for 'deceased' Maiar.
As for Saruman, it is briefly hinted at that he created his own ring (similar to but much less powerful than Sauron's). I kind of like to think that eventually he will reform via that ring and create a disturbance at the end of the fourth age. - Cirdan / Maglor68 |
01-16-2002, 09:32 AM | #4 |
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I always believed that both Saruman and Sauron were expelled from Eä, like Melkor, to stay in the empty void until the 'end', when all will return to Ilúvatar and those of the Ainur who stayed behind with him.
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