a sad literary fate - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Estelyn Telcontar · 01-21-2002, 02:56 AM

Ladies and gentlehobbits! (drumroll) Please allow me to direct your attention to the most sadly neglected individual in the Lord of the Rings!
You think it must be a woman? True, true, but compared to this character, Arwen is a fully fleshed-out heroine, with a depth of feelings, described in detail.
This poor woman is not even granted the dignity of a name! She speaks not a word; her only reason for existing is to give her companion someone to speak to. She has only a second-hand identity. I speak, of course, of Ioreth's kinswoman, a country cousin who serves as a backdrop for Ioreth's monologue in RotK.
It is time we honour this worthy woman, for without her we would not have a wonderfully comic, almost Shakespearian moment in a largely serious book. Let's hear it for Ioreth's kinswoman!

red · 01-21-2002, 12:27 PM

Here, here!! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

-réd

Dwarin Thunderhammer · 01-21-2002, 01:52 PM

I agree! A most underrated and ignored character! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Turambar · 01-21-2002, 03:17 PM

The Rosencranz & Guildenstern of LotR !

Aralaithiel · 01-21-2002, 05:01 PM

She needs a dignified name! Any suggestions?

Estelyn Telcontar · 01-22-2002, 01:41 AM

Great idea, Aralaithiel! Please do explain the reasons for your choices when you submit names.

Cirdan the Shipwright · 01-28-2002, 03:44 PM

Some people call her ... Tim?

- Cirdan

Oliphaunt · 01-28-2002, 05:20 PM

she is Arthur, King of the Britons!

Maltagaerion · 01-28-2002, 05:42 PM

Well *I* didn't vote for her!

..but I'll gladly down a pint of mead in her honor [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Mayla Took · 01-28-2002, 06:08 PM

*Claps her hands and jumps out of her seat* Yeeaaii!! (I'm just showing my support!) [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Lindolirian · 01-28-2002, 06:47 PM

A good name for her would be......Salabiel which means Herb Woman. Why? Because i think she had some kingsfoil that Ioreth talked about... yeah stupid name but hey you asked for one [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Eol · 01-28-2002, 07:01 PM

I propose her name be ELDRIDA- it is of anglo-saxon meaning wise or prudent advisor.

Aralaithiel · 01-29-2002, 04:18 PM

Good One, Eol!
"Ah...now we see the violence inherent in the system! Come look at the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"
This is an anarcho-syndicated commune, isn't it? [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

01-21-2002, 02:56 AM	#1
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	a sad literary fate Ladies and gentlehobbits! (drumroll) Please allow me to direct your attention to the most sadly neglected individual in the Lord of the Rings! You think it must be a woman? True, true, but compared to this character, Arwen is a fully fleshed-out heroine, with a depth of feelings, described in detail. This poor woman is not even granted the dignity of a name! She speaks not a word; her only reason for existing is to give her companion someone to speak to. She has only a second-hand identity. I speak, of course, of Ioreth's kinswoman, a country cousin who serves as a backdrop for Ioreth's monologue in RotK. It is time we honour this worthy woman, for without her we would not have a wonderfully comic, almost Shakespearian moment in a largely serious book. Let's hear it for Ioreth's kinswoman! __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

01-21-2002, 12:27 PM	#2
red Spirit of Mischief Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Land of the free and home of the brave Posts: 366	Here, here!! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] -réd __________________ "Cats are like greatness: Some people are born into cat-loving families, some achieve cats, and some have cats thrust upon them." -William H. A. Carr

01-21-2002, 01:52 PM	#3
Dwarin Thunderhammer Khazad-Doomed Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Green Dragon Posts: 182	I agree! A most underrated and ignored character! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ “Baruk Khazâd! Khazâd aimênu!” Come visit The Rohan RPG! The only RPG to fanfic on the downs! Without law there can be no freedom. Without justice there can be no law.

01-21-2002, 03:17 PM	#4
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	The Rosencranz & Guildenstern of LotR ! __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

01-21-2002, 05:01 PM	#5
Aralaithiel Ghost Eldaran Queen Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A remote mountain in Valinor Posts: 353	She needs a dignified name! Any suggestions? __________________ A lelyat, wen! (Quenya Elvish for "You go, girl!"

01-22-2002, 01:41 AM	#6
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Great idea, Aralaithiel! Please do explain the reasons for your choices when you submit names. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

01-28-2002, 03:44 PM	#7
Cirdan the Shipwright Haunting Spirit Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 52	Some people call her ... Tim? - Cirdan

01-28-2002, 05:20 PM	#8
Oliphaunt Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 48	she is Arthur, King of the Britons!

01-28-2002, 05:42 PM	#9
Maltagaerion Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 60	Well I didn't vote for her! ..but I'll gladly down a pint of mead in her honor [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Friends don't let friends drink Starbucks

01-28-2002, 06:08 PM	#10
Mayla Took Wight Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Shire Posts: 152	Claps her hands and jumps out of her seat Yeeaaii!! (I'm just showing my support!) [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Good Things Come in Small Packages. (And don't you forget it!) Pippin:"What is that?!?" Merry:"This, my friend, is a pint!" Pippin:"It comes in PINTS?!?....I'm getting one!" "Don't let your heads get too big for your hats! But if you don't finish growing up soon, you are going to find hats and clothes expensive." Bilbo to Merry and Pippin "Fool of a Took! This is a serious journey, not a hobbit walking-party. Throw yourself in next time, and then you will be no further nuisance. Now be quiet!" Gandalf to Pippin in Moria E-mail me at mailto:ThirdAgeHobbit@hotmail.comThirdAgeHobbit@hotmail.com</A> Oh, and please rate me. THANKS!

01-28-2002, 06:47 PM	#11
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	A good name for her would be......Salabiel which means Herb Woman. Why? Because i think she had some kingsfoil that Ioreth talked about... yeah stupid name but hey you asked for one [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

01-28-2002, 07:01 PM	#12
Eol Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Pacific Northwest - Tir Nan Og Posts: 306	I propose her name be ELDRIDA- it is of anglo-saxon meaning wise or prudent advisor. __________________ Mes sana in corpec sano- (lt.) A sound mind in a sound body

01-29-2002, 04:18 PM	#13
Aralaithiel Ghost Eldaran Queen Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A remote mountain in Valinor Posts: 353	Good One, Eol! "Ah...now we see the violence inherent in the system! Come look at the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!" This is an anarcho-syndicated commune, isn't it? [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ A lelyat, wen! (Quenya Elvish for "You go, girl!"