Santa's Elves - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Rose Cotton · 12-12-2002, 06:14 AM

Tolkien tried to make elves that noone could mistake as those cute little elves in Santa's workshop. However, Don't you think the Noldor and Santa's elves could be realated? They both like to make things. Or are they more realated to the other races of elves? Does anyone have a theory on how Tolkien's elves ended up as short helpers?

the phantom · 12-12-2002, 09:35 AM

quote from The Silmarilion
"But it is held true by the elves that Santa, who is named Nick, the great enemy of the world, took the Noldor that he had captured and through slow arts of torture, turned them into short, twisted creatures, living only to manufacture and produce toys. And this was deemed the most naughty act of all Santa's evil works."

Manwe Sulimo · 12-12-2002, 01:58 PM

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH!!!!! THAT WAS GREAT!!!!!

*wipes his eyes*

Ah, the cheer of the holiday season....

Diamond18 · 12-12-2002, 03:12 PM

Very good, phantom: it's always nice to back up theories with book quotes. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

VanimaEdhel · 12-12-2002, 05:47 PM

Hahaha!
Gotta give chapter numbers, darling! Proper and all...it's in "Of the Coming of the Elves" on page 50 in my book (probably different in some of yours). Yup! That's what it says all right... [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Arwen Melian · 12-12-2002, 06:25 PM

Well...the only reason Tolkiens elves are tall is because the elves are based on Norse elves, mixed with Celtic influence.Before the time of Christianity(in thenorth0 rumour has it that they believed in them. However, Christians(during the Middle Ages)encouraged the diminishing of these"pagan" ideas, so the elves shrunk in mortal eyes...sad huh? That's I was taught....And I never thought elves were short...Does anyone here actually prefer short elves?Hahaha....theyre so cute...but scary.

Morai · 12-12-2002, 06:42 PM

Enough of this Mockery! (just kidding) I think that dwarven males, for lack of dwarven ladies, fell in love with some elves and had some decendents. (most likely while drunk, with a dab of amnesia.)

okay that was weird...........

Arwen Melian · 12-12-2002, 06:46 PM

That was funny...hey that's a disgusting thought...elves and dwarves ...yuck!Yes it was wierd . [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Morai · 12-12-2002, 07:24 PM

Hmm....Maybe they got some disease that made them short. Then Santa took them in, never to be seen by the outside world. (Mainly because they were ashamed of their new height.)

Arwen Melian · 12-12-2002, 07:27 PM

ha [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

-Imrahil- · 12-13-2002, 12:26 AM

Haha, disease eh? [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

If they are related, they must have been mutated by some freak accident. *shudder* Santa's elves, I really kinda hate them.

Child of the 7th Age · 12-13-2002, 12:51 AM

Maybe Santa's Elves are really hobbits?

Belin · 12-13-2002, 01:10 AM

I don't think hobbits would consent to those working conditions, though.

Unless...

...hobbits were enslaved, or nearly so, once already by a mysterious person with a white beard, ancient origins, supernatural powers, and excellent craftsmanship--and a hearty laugh may be considered analogous to a nice voice, may it not?

[img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]

--Belin Ibaimendi

Diamond18 · 12-13-2002, 12:07 PM

He promised them food...lots of food. All the candy and cakes and cookies they wanted. Some valiantly withstood the temptation, saying, "Candy? Are you mad? We want mushrooms, tomatoes, and nice crispy bacon! And vegetables! Get with the program!"

But some of the other, younger, foolish little hobbitlings, fell under his sway.

Such a sad, sad story. But someday, my friends, someday....the descendants of Meriadoc the Magnificent, Thain Peregrin Took, and Master Samwise, will ride in and blow the Horn of Rohan, and the captives shall rise up and take arms against their cruel overlord. And that day the Hobbits shall be freed....

Because they cannot take away our FREEDOM!!!

[ December 13, 2002: Message edited by: Diamond18 ]

VanimaEdhel · 12-13-2002, 05:07 PM

Is that why everyone eats so much on Christmas?

Hmmm...if he enslaves the Hobbits, is Santa kindred to Sauron and a fellow worshipper of Melkor? Are we all asking for gifts from a dark sorcerer? Something to ponder there...

Manwe Sulimo · 12-13-2002, 05:26 PM

You guys still believe in Santa? [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

No, Santa is Melkor, or did you miss the second relpy?

Parallels between the two:

Big and impressive
Male
Immortal
Live in the cold North
Perverted elves for reasons of their own
Had underlings in ME ("Kmart", "JCPenny", etc.)

Any more?

Rumil · 12-13-2002, 07:28 PM

What's an anagram of Santa ?

Revealing Hmmmm! [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]

Diamond18 · 12-13-2002, 09:28 PM

He was originally dubbed "Satan Claws" by his "elfs" (be they forms of elves or hobbits). One can only imagine what kind of treatment gave rise to this name...and perhaps it's best to not think about it.

Of course, over the years the name was worn down to "Santa Clause" and that's where we are today.

the phantom · 12-14-2002, 01:14 AM

I'm pretty sure that Morgoth is still in prison right now. I think Santa is more likely to be Sauron. After all, when Sauron appeared to the elves in Eregion, didn't he name himself Annatar, lord of gifts?

And perhaps he uses his palantir to spy on us to see if we've been naughty or nice.

hobbitlass · 12-14-2002, 07:20 AM

And that means the "reindeer" are really the Nazgul, and Rudolph is the witch-king! I suppose the red nose is a permanent side-effect from what Merry and Eowyn did to him.

[ December 14, 2002: Message edited by: hobbitlass ]

Manwe Sulimo · 12-14-2002, 09:51 AM

Mrs. Claus = Shelob?

One Sleigh to rule them all
One Sleigh to find them
One sleigh to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the land of Northpole, where the Shadows lie

Marigold Hedgeworth · 12-14-2002, 10:11 AM

Then, of course, there's always the possibility that the hobbits volunteered willingly, that Santa is really Eärendil, and that the tale of Rudolph sprung from sightings of the Silmaril...

Diamond18 · 12-14-2002, 11:13 AM

Oh, I'm sure that's what he'd like you to think, Marigold... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Here's an import from "LotR Meets Christmas Carols"...an old poem taken from the Red Book Of Westmarch...quite telling...

Rudolph, the red-nosed Ringwraith
Had a very shiny nose
And if you ever saw it
You would even say it glows

All of the other Ringwraiths
They used to laugh and call him names
They never let poor Rudolph
Join in any Ringwraith games

Then one foggy Mordor night,
Sauron came to say:
"Rudolph with your nose so bright
Won't you find my Ring tonight?"

Then all the Ringwraiths loved him
As they screeched out with glee
Rudolph the red-nosed Ringwraith
You'll go down in history!

arelendil · 12-14-2002, 03:08 PM

Santa's elves aren't elves but pixies trying to sound big and clever!!

VanimaEdhel · 12-14-2002, 03:24 PM

Hmmm...why does Melkor make toys for little children? Are they magic like the ring, making the users evil and greedy? That would certainly explain some of the kids I know...that explains all the "preciousssss"'s at their presents, I suppose...

Tigerlily Gamgee · 12-14-2002, 03:32 PM

Morai · 12-14-2002, 05:47 PM

What if the elves are really hobbits who look like short elves because she must wear pointy shoes in the north climate. They are halflings that have become immortal. Frodo is the head of them (second only to Santa who is really Celeborn.) with Bilbo at his side. Mrs. Clause is Galadriel who improved her lembas recipe by adding sweets. Hence, the christmas cookie. Using his elven magic, Santa flies around the world, spreading joy and hapiness. Unfortunately, Sauron left his mark on this world, making the people of Earth greedy and never satisfied.

VanimaEdhel · 12-16-2002, 06:36 PM

Hmmm...well, the Old Took was said to have had Faerie blood, yes? Maybe Faeries bred with more Hobbits, thus making them more magical. And they help Santa with that flying business...maybe?

purplefluffychainsaw · 12-17-2002, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Big and impressive
Male
Immortal
Live in the cold North
Perverted elves for reasons of their own
Had underlings in ME ("Kmart", "JCPenny", etc.)

Saron is in the EAST... Gat it right.
**Sighs**

mark12_30 · 12-17-2002, 01:09 PM

Melkor, o fluffy one; Melkor, NOT Sauron. Melko/ Melkor/ Morgoth's fortress, Angband, was far to the north. Manwe Sulimo had it right.

[ December 17, 2002: Message edited by: mark12_30 ]

purplefluffychainsaw · 12-18-2002, 07:47 AM

Sorry, I wase reading too fast for my own good V-V
[img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

-Imrahil- · 12-19-2002, 12:10 AM

nice phantom!

Nianna Telmnar · 12-20-2002, 03:24 PM

hehe. great pic. i personally have always believed that santa's elves are regular sized and the concept of the short cute elf was developed as a marketing concept. after all, children relate better to people who are their size.
oh, and elves also used this same idea and started the keebler elf cookie line. they started with lembas but it wasn't selling so they changed to sugar and chocolate instead.

i mean after all, even elves have to make a living somehow!

Maylin Talese · 12-20-2002, 03:44 PM

hmmmm....I always though that some random elf had decided to start giving humans presents as an attemp to satisfiy their greed. (ok, i got that from Artimis Fowl)
Santa is really Sauron, and he started the whole thing so he could get int people's houses and try to find the ring.

Orual · 12-20-2002, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Santa is really Sauron, and he started the whole thing so he could get int people's houses and try to find the ring.

Which is why we shouldn't be surprised when all of our bookmarks are missing on the morning of the 26th. [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]

~*~Orual~*~

Manwe Sulimo · 12-20-2002, 04:28 PM

Wouldn't it be the morning of the 25th?

12-12-2002, 06:14 AM	#1
Rose Cotton Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: A place worse then Mordor........School! Posts: 1,075	Santa's Elves Tolkien tried to make elves that noone could mistake as those cute little elves in Santa's workshop. However, Don't you think the Noldor and Santa's elves could be realated? They both like to make things. Or are they more realated to the other races of elves? Does anyone have a theory on how Tolkien's elves ended up as short helpers? __________________ "There's nothing you can do, Harry... nothing... he's gone."-Remus Lupin "The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm."-Pippin (now how can you argue with that logic?)

12-12-2002, 09:35 AM	#2
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	quote from The Silmarilion "But it is held true by the elves that Santa, who is named Nick, the great enemy of the world, took the Noldor that he had captured and through slow arts of torture, turned them into short, twisted creatures, living only to manufacture and produce toys. And this was deemed the most naughty act of all Santa's evil works." __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

12-12-2002, 01:58 PM	#3
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH!!!!! THAT WAS GREAT!!!!! wipes his eyes Ah, the cheer of the holiday season.... __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

12-12-2002, 03:12 PM	#4
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	Very good, phantom: it's always nice to back up theories with book quotes. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

12-12-2002, 05:47 PM	#5
VanimaEdhel Etheral Enchantress Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wellesley College! Posts: 1,461	Hahaha! Gotta give chapter numbers, darling! Proper and all...it's in "Of the Coming of the Elves" on page 50 in my book (probably different in some of yours). Yup! That's what it says all right... [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] __________________ "I think we dream so we don't have to be apart so long. If we're in each others dreams, we can be together all the time." - Hobbes of Calvin and Hobbes

12-12-2002, 06:25 PM	#6
Arwen Melian Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sometimes Imladris....sometimes Mirkwood...other times ....Lothlorien Posts: 141	Well...the only reason Tolkiens elves are tall is because the elves are based on Norse elves, mixed with Celtic influence.Before the time of Christianity(in thenorth0 rumour has it that they believed in them. However, Christians(during the Middle Ages)encouraged the diminishing of these"pagan" ideas, so the elves shrunk in mortal eyes...sad huh? That's I was taught....And I never thought elves were short...Does anyone here actually prefer short elves?Hahaha....theyre so cute...but scary. __________________ Maiden of Rivendell "Anything to get away from the evil monkey in my bedroom." Fine! I admit it. I am a supporter of Agent Elrond. Now would you please leave me be?

12-12-2002, 06:42 PM	#7
Morai Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: Where young people go to retire Posts: 709	Enough of this Mockery! (just kidding) I think that dwarven males, for lack of dwarven ladies, fell in love with some elves and had some decendents. (most likely while drunk, with a dab of amnesia.) okay that was weird........... __________________ "So why the safe distance, this curious look? Why tear out single pages when you can throw away the book? Why pluck one string when you can strum the guitar? MeWithoutYou http://fortyfifthparadox.com

12-12-2002, 06:46 PM	#8
Arwen Melian Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sometimes Imladris....sometimes Mirkwood...other times ....Lothlorien Posts: 141	That was funny...hey that's a disgusting thought...elves and dwarves ...yuck!Yes it was wierd . [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Maiden of Rivendell "Anything to get away from the evil monkey in my bedroom." Fine! I admit it. I am a supporter of Agent Elrond. Now would you please leave me be?

12-12-2002, 07:24 PM	#9
Morai Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: Where young people go to retire Posts: 709	Hmm....Maybe they got some disease that made them short. Then Santa took them in, never to be seen by the outside world. (Mainly because they were ashamed of their new height.) __________________ "So why the safe distance, this curious look? Why tear out single pages when you can throw away the book? Why pluck one string when you can strum the guitar? MeWithoutYou http://fortyfifthparadox.com

12-12-2002, 07:27 PM	#10
Arwen Melian Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sometimes Imladris....sometimes Mirkwood...other times ....Lothlorien Posts: 141	ha [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Maiden of Rivendell "Anything to get away from the evil monkey in my bedroom." Fine! I admit it. I am a supporter of Agent Elrond. Now would you please leave me be?

12-13-2002, 12:26 AM	#11
-Imrahil- Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dol Amroth, upon the Bay of Belfalas Posts: 259	Haha, disease eh? [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] If they are related, they must have been mutated by some freak accident. shudder Santa's elves, I really kinda hate them. __________________ My body is broken. I go to my fathers. And even in their mighty company I shall not now be ashamed. I felled the black serpent. A grim morn, and a glad day, and a golden sunset!

12-13-2002, 12:51 AM	#12
Child of the 7th Age Spirit of the Lonely Star Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5,133	Maybe Santa's Elves are really hobbits? __________________ Multitasking women are never too busy to vote.

12-13-2002, 01:10 AM	#13
Belin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: all the wide unfriendly pathways of the world Posts: 330	I don't think hobbits would consent to those working conditions, though. Unless... ...hobbits were enslaved, or nearly so, once already by a mysterious person with a white beard, ancient origins, supernatural powers, and excellent craftsmanship--and a hearty laugh may be considered analogous to a nice voice, may it not? [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] --Belin Ibaimendi __________________ "I hate dignity," cried Scraps, kicking a pebble high in the air and then trying to catch it as it fell. "Half the fools and all the wise folks are dignified, and I'm neither the one nor the other." --L. Frank Baum

12-13-2002, 12:07 PM	#14
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	He promised them food...lots of food. All the candy and cakes and cookies they wanted. Some valiantly withstood the temptation, saying, "Candy? Are you mad? We want mushrooms, tomatoes, and nice crispy bacon! And vegetables! Get with the program!" But some of the other, younger, foolish little hobbitlings, fell under his sway. Such a sad, sad story. But someday, my friends, someday....the descendants of Meriadoc the Magnificent, Thain Peregrin Took, and Master Samwise, will ride in and blow the Horn of Rohan, and the captives shall rise up and take arms against their cruel overlord. And that day the Hobbits shall be freed.... Because they cannot take away our FREEDOM!!! [ December 13, 2002: Message edited by: Diamond18 ] __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

12-13-2002, 05:07 PM	#15
VanimaEdhel Etheral Enchantress Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wellesley College! Posts: 1,461	Is that why everyone eats so much on Christmas? Hmmm...if he enslaves the Hobbits, is Santa kindred to Sauron and a fellow worshipper of Melkor? Are we all asking for gifts from a dark sorcerer? Something to ponder there... __________________ "I think we dream so we don't have to be apart so long. If we're in each others dreams, we can be together all the time." - Hobbes of Calvin and Hobbes

12-13-2002, 05:26 PM	#16
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	You guys still believe in Santa? [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] No, Santa is Melkor, or did you miss the second relpy? Parallels between the two: Big and impressive Male Immortal Live in the cold North Perverted elves for reasons of their own Had underlings in ME ("Kmart", "JCPenny", etc.) Any more? __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

12-13-2002, 07:28 PM	#17
Rumil Sage & Onions Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Britain Posts: 894	What's an anagram of Santa ? Revealing Hmmmm! [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] __________________ Rumil of Coedhirion

12-13-2002, 09:28 PM	#18
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	He was originally dubbed "Satan Claws" by his "elfs" (be they forms of elves or hobbits). One can only imagine what kind of treatment gave rise to this name...and perhaps it's best to not think about it. Of course, over the years the name was worn down to "Santa Clause" and that's where we are today. __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

12-14-2002, 01:14 AM	#19
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	I'm pretty sure that Morgoth is still in prison right now. I think Santa is more likely to be Sauron. After all, when Sauron appeared to the elves in Eregion, didn't he name himself Annatar, lord of gifts? And perhaps he uses his palantir to spy on us to see if we've been naughty or nice. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

12-14-2002, 07:20 AM	#20
hobbitlass Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: next to the fire keeping warm Posts: 471	And that means the "reindeer" are really the Nazgul, and Rudolph is the witch-king! I suppose the red nose is a permanent side-effect from what Merry and Eowyn did to him. [ December 14, 2002: Message edited by: hobbitlass ] __________________ Just because a person has the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do.

12-14-2002, 09:51 AM	#21
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	Mrs. Claus = Shelob? One Sleigh to rule them all One Sleigh to find them One sleigh to bring them all and in the darkness bind them In the land of Northpole, where the Shadows lie __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

12-14-2002, 10:11 AM	#22
Marigold Hedgeworth Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Middle of Nowhere Posts: 16	Then, of course, there's always the possibility that the hobbits volunteered willingly, that Santa is really Eärendil, and that the tale of Rudolph sprung from sightings of the Silmaril... __________________ The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found difficult and left untried. --G.K. Chesterton

12-14-2002, 11:13 AM	#23
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	Oh, I'm sure that's what he'd like you to think, Marigold... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] Here's an import from "LotR Meets Christmas Carols"...an old poem taken from the Red Book Of Westmarch...quite telling... Rudolph, the red-nosed Ringwraith Had a very shiny nose And if you ever saw it You would even say it glows All of the other Ringwraiths They used to laugh and call him names They never let poor Rudolph Join in any Ringwraith games Then one foggy Mordor night, Sauron came to say: "Rudolph with your nose so bright Won't you find my Ring tonight?" Then all the Ringwraiths loved him As they screeched out with glee Rudolph the red-nosed Ringwraith You'll go down in history! __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

12-14-2002, 03:08 PM	#24
arelendil Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Eryn Lasgalen Posts: 202	Santa's elves aren't elves but pixies trying to sound big and clever!! __________________ Nai Vardo eleni ilye lumenn' enomentielvo siluvar!

12-14-2002, 03:24 PM	#25
VanimaEdhel Etheral Enchantress Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wellesley College! Posts: 1,461	Hmmm...why does Melkor make toys for little children? Are they magic like the ring, making the users evil and greedy? That would certainly explain some of the kids I know...that explains all the "preciousssss"'s at their presents, I suppose... __________________ "I think we dream so we don't have to be apart so long. If we're in each others dreams, we can be together all the time." - Hobbes of Calvin and Hobbes

12-14-2002, 03:32 PM	#26
Tigerlily Gamgee Hostess of Spirits Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Meduseld Posts: 1,055	__________________ ~ ExerciseJunky.com (Hobbits fitness of choice!)~ ~Lady of Rohan: An Eowyn Fansite ~ ~The NEW/OLD Barrow Downs Photo Page~

12-14-2002, 05:47 PM	#27
Morai Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: Where young people go to retire Posts: 709	What if the elves are really hobbits who look like short elves because she must wear pointy shoes in the north climate. They are halflings that have become immortal. Frodo is the head of them (second only to Santa who is really Celeborn.) with Bilbo at his side. Mrs. Clause is Galadriel who improved her lembas recipe by adding sweets. Hence, the christmas cookie. Using his elven magic, Santa flies around the world, spreading joy and hapiness. Unfortunately, Sauron left his mark on this world, making the people of Earth greedy and never satisfied. __________________ "So why the safe distance, this curious look? Why tear out single pages when you can throw away the book? Why pluck one string when you can strum the guitar? MeWithoutYou http://fortyfifthparadox.com

12-16-2002, 06:36 PM	#28
VanimaEdhel Etheral Enchantress Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wellesley College! Posts: 1,461	Hmmm...well, the Old Took was said to have had Faerie blood, yes? Maybe Faeries bred with more Hobbits, thus making them more magical. And they help Santa with that flying business...maybe? __________________ "I think we dream so we don't have to be apart so long. If we're in each others dreams, we can be together all the time." - Hobbes of Calvin and Hobbes

12-17-2002, 01:09 PM	#30
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Melkor, o fluffy one; Melkor, NOT Sauron. Melko/ Melkor/ Morgoth's fortress, Angband, was far to the north. Manwe Sulimo had it right. [ December 17, 2002: Message edited by: mark12_30 ] __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

12-18-2002, 07:47 AM	#31
purplefluffychainsaw Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a very cold place.... Posts: 162	Sorry, I wase reading too fast for my own good V-V [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] __________________ Love, Drugs and Fairy Boys ~ SAM

12-19-2002, 12:10 AM	#32
-Imrahil- Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dol Amroth, upon the Bay of Belfalas Posts: 259	nice phantom! __________________ My body is broken. I go to my fathers. And even in their mighty company I shall not now be ashamed. I felled the black serpent. A grim morn, and a glad day, and a golden sunset!

12-20-2002, 03:24 PM	#33
Nianna Telmnar Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: somewhere between here and there Posts: 68	hehe. great pic. i personally have always believed that santa's elves are regular sized and the concept of the short cute elf was developed as a marketing concept. after all, children relate better to people who are their size. oh, and elves also used this same idea and started the keebler elf cookie line. they started with lembas but it wasn't selling so they changed to sugar and chocolate instead. i mean after all, even elves have to make a living somehow! __________________ "Don't Panic."

12-20-2002, 03:44 PM	#34
Maylin Talese Pile O'Bones Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Tirgnali Posts: 13	hmmmm....I always though that some random elf had decided to start giving humans presents as an attemp to satisfiy their greed. (ok, i got that from Artimis Fowl) Santa is really Sauron, and he started the whole thing so he could get int people's houses and try to find the ring. __________________ ~~Maylin~~ "The greatest single cause for Atheism in the world today are Christians, who acknowlege Jesus with their lips, then deny Him with their actions. That is what an unbelieveing world finds unbelievable." -dc Talk

12-20-2002, 04:28 PM	#36
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	Wouldn't it be the morning of the 25th? __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."