cockney orcs. i am offended and disgusted - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Lyra Greenleaf · 02-24-2003, 04:54 AM

is there anyone else here from the eastend who is upset at being typecast as evil, stupid, hobbit eaters?

i do not, and do not know anyone, who eats scottish or west country people. cross my heart!

OK, enough being offended. has anyone noticed that the orc that chases merry and pippin is Phil Mitchell? same breathy voice and everything! i kept expecting him to say "Alright bruv?"
and i can imagine phil saying "Lets make a maggot hole in your belly Ian Beale!"

Meela · 02-24-2003, 06:44 AM

im not from the west end, but i remember falling off my seat laughing at the ridiculous orcs. and yes, that orc does sound like Phil Mitchell!

Rose Cotton · 02-24-2003, 11:44 AM

I don't think the accent was ment to offend anyone. I mean they need some kind of accent. What should they have used?

[ February 24, 2003: Message edited by: Rose Cotton ]

Meela · 02-24-2003, 01:03 PM

outrageous french accent... *giggles*

Manardariel · 02-24-2003, 01:34 PM

Oh PLEASE Meela, don´t make me even think of it.... [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Horse-Maiden of the Shire · 02-24-2003, 04:28 PM

LOL! I can just imagine it...
"Ze hobbitz have ezcaped, non? Hohoho, I am outrageous French ohc. Die, mon enemie!"

eleanor_niphredil · 02-24-2003, 04:29 PM

I wasnt offended. I actualy laughed. Not that I am cockney, but my manchester accent is very similar.

Meela · 02-24-2003, 04:32 PM

what about a southern drawl? complete with cowboy hats and chewing tobacco?
(i cant do the typed impression...)

Mattius · 02-24-2003, 04:42 PM

For those of you who have seen Snatch with Brad Pitt I think it would have been great if the Orcs had a pikey accent!

Lady_Báin · 02-25-2003, 04:39 AM

oooooo how about that fakie villan accent, you know the one german-posh~english-french-spanish and any other non-specific accent [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img].
or maybe a boston accent eh?

DaughterofVana · 02-25-2003, 04:48 PM

That would be good, though would you really want the association of Boris and Natasha with LOTR?

"Ve haf to get moose un squirrel!"
"Ack! Nein!"

I'm talking about the old cartoons from back in the day, not the dreadful live-action movie.

(Commence rampant discussion on why live-action R and B was a good idea.... waiting.... waiting.... thought not. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img])

-'Vana

Mattius · 02-25-2003, 06:21 PM

Hee hee, or maybe they should have had long moustaches like Daniel Day Lewis in Gangs of NY!! PURE EVIIIIIIL! [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

Horse-Maiden of the Shire · 02-25-2003, 08:48 PM

LOL! YES! HANDLEBAR MUSTACHES!!

vanwalossien · 03-05-2003, 08:37 AM

You know, they could've had a Norwegian accent. Have you ever heard Norwegians who can't really speak English trying to speak English? It would definetly sound like they were up to no good..!

Anything but Arwen · 03-05-2003, 11:30 AM

lol....can just see uruk hai sitting there plotting evil and twirling ridiculously long moustaches....

I swear that at one point Faramir sounds positively Australian....would probably be because he IS an aussie but thats not the point...mmm....faramir...

Arvedui III · 03-05-2003, 12:14 PM

Just thought of this: It would be really funny if the orcs were yidish. "Oy vay,you shmuck! You let the hobbits escape. Mashugina!" [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Rose Cotton · 03-05-2003, 03:20 PM

Or what about making the orcs American.

Mattius · 03-05-2003, 03:25 PM

No what would be best would be a really strong geordie accent, "Wai aye man! War-ar we gunna duz wit deez tings like?!"

Antien · 03-05-2003, 06:10 PM

i'm glad they just don't have canadian accents.it would sound ridiculus(and i'm canadian)

'what this aboot the hobbits escaping, eh?'

Luthien_ Tinuviel · 03-05-2003, 07:48 PM

Please, say no more about the orcs being American! I am American! Although orcs with a Southern drawl would be very funny [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] . Oh wait, I just insulted myself. Not that I have a Southern drawl or anything (I hope), but I am from the South. [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]

DaughterofVana · 03-06-2003, 02:15 PM

YIDDISH ORCS!!!! ROTFL!! (that was the first time I've ever typed that phrase, btw [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img])

I think "Oy" is the greatest word alive... you can't say it without smiling. Brilliant! Though the orcs that say it would cease to be frightening.... wait. The Orcs that had the accents in the first place weren't really frightening anyway. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Off topic, but I don't care: was Gangs of NY a good movie?

-'Vana

Arvedui III · 03-06-2003, 05:19 PM

Oy is the greatest word there is, Gangs of NY is an auesome movie, canadian or southern orcs would uproariously funny( since I'm from the south, the orcs would probibly end up sounding like me and my friends, Gaah, scary thought) and I bow to Daughter of Vana for her use of the word ROTFL.
Ok, I'm done. Please continue this wonderful discustion.

Horse-Maiden of the Shire · 03-06-2003, 05:27 PM

Well, even though I am Canadian, Canadian Orcs would be HILARIOUS!

"How aboot those durned hobbits, Eh? Let's go eat some beavers!"

Lyra Greenleaf · 03-07-2003, 01:11 PM

yay! down with cockney orcs! no more phil mitchell!

i think really really thick german accents:
"Ve vant information! Vhere is ze ring? ve have vays of making you talk..."

Kalimac · 03-09-2003, 02:04 AM

I like the idea of Orcs with German accents; not to be offensive to anyone here (hey, I've got German blood about three generations back, along with a lot of Slav) but it's not as if the English-speaking world is unused to the idea of hearing its villains speak with a German accent.

Yiddish Orcs would be something else. Imagine the insults when they really got going! I'd pay good money to see Ugluk and Grishnakh laying into each other like that...

U: I'm Ugluk. I'm the mensch here.

S: Oy, yes, and you and your schlemiels will be bringing those little momzers to the White Hand.

U: Hok'n chaynik! I never heard such mishegoss.

Southern Orcs would be interesting, but (speaking as a northerner) they'd talk way too slowly. Merry and Pippin could cut their bonds and slip away while Grishnakh and Ugluk were still fencing verbally.

Alas, the only suggestion I can add is kind of lame. Oxonian Orcs, maybe? "Really, Grishnakh, so the grousing begins August 12, you say?" "Why yes it does, but hobbiting begins TODAY!"

Lyra Greenleaf · 03-09-2003, 06:29 AM

Quote:

not to be offensive to anyone here (hey, I've got German blood about three generations back, along with a lot of Slav)

believe me, i wasn't going for offence. I'm half Austrian myself!

Mattius · 03-09-2003, 03:45 PM

Just finished watching Goldmember for the 100th time and how about Orc's with the Dutch accent?

"Yessh, thesh hobbitsh are shhalty good yesh. Oh thatsh a keeeper. Hey guysh I have a Dutcsh accshent ishn't dat vierd!"

02-24-2003, 04:54 AM	#1
Lyra Greenleaf The Diaphanous Dryad Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: R toL: 531, past the wild path Posts: 1,152	cockney orcs. i am offended and disgusted is there anyone else here from the eastend who is upset at being typecast as evil, stupid, hobbit eaters? i do not, and do not know anyone, who eats scottish or west country people. cross my heart! OK, enough being offended. has anyone noticed that the orc that chases merry and pippin is Phil Mitchell? same breathy voice and everything! i kept expecting him to say "Alright bruv?" and i can imagine phil saying "Lets make a maggot hole in your belly Ian Beale!" __________________ “Sylphs of the forest,” I whispered. “Spirits of oak, beech and ash. Dryads of Rowan and hazel, hear us. You who have guided and guarded our every footstep, you who have sheltered our growth, we honour you." the Forbidden Link

02-24-2003, 06:44 AM	#2
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	im not from the west end, but i remember falling off my seat laughing at the ridiculous orcs. and yes, that orc does sound like Phil Mitchell! __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

02-24-2003, 11:44 AM	#3
Rose Cotton Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: A place worse then Mordor........School! Posts: 1,075	I don't think the accent was ment to offend anyone. I mean they need some kind of accent. What should they have used? [ February 24, 2003: Message edited by: Rose Cotton ] __________________ "There's nothing you can do, Harry... nothing... he's gone."-Remus Lupin "The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm."-Pippin (now how can you argue with that logic?)

02-24-2003, 01:03 PM	#4
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	outrageous french accent... giggles __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

02-24-2003, 01:34 PM	#5
Manardariel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 807	Oh PLEASE Meela, don´t make me even think of it.... [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Love is a perky elf dancing a merry little jig and then suddenly he turns on you with a miniature machine gun. Blog :-)\|FanFic Dream City

02-24-2003, 04:28 PM	#6
Horse-Maiden of the Shire Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Chillaxin' with Glorfindel-441 miles on the RtR Posts: 1,197	LOL! I can just imagine it... "Ze hobbitz have ezcaped, non? Hohoho, I am outrageous French ohc. Die, mon enemie!" __________________ "There's a big...machine in the sky...some kind of electric snake...coming straight at us." "Shoot it," said my attorney. "Not yet...I want to study its habits."

02-24-2003, 04:29 PM	#7
eleanor_niphredil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: england Posts: 805	I wasnt offended. I actualy laughed. Not that I am cockney, but my manchester accent is very similar. __________________ Here I am, brain the size of a planet, and they ask me to spend my time on this forum. And by the way, for any of you turning into a penguin, stop it. ~* I am Pippin took in the Female Fellowship*~

02-24-2003, 04:32 PM	#8
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	what about a southern drawl? complete with cowboy hats and chewing tobacco? (i cant do the typed impression...) __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

02-24-2003, 04:42 PM	#9
Mattius Soul of Fire Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: City of Steel Posts: 666	For those of you who have seen Snatch with Brad Pitt I think it would have been great if the Orcs had a pikey accent! __________________ A problem shared is a problem halved, so is your problem really yours or just half of someone else's?

02-25-2003, 04:39 AM	#10
Lady_Báin Wight Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Peterborough, England Posts: 250	oooooo how about that fakie villan accent, you know the one german-posh~english-french-spanish and any other non-specific accent [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]. or maybe a boston accent eh? __________________ pæling.

02-25-2003, 04:48 PM	#11
DaughterofVana Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: twirling contentedly in a flower-filled field Posts: 134	That would be good, though would you really want the association of Boris and Natasha with LOTR? "Ve haf to get moose un squirrel!" "Ack! Nein!" I'm talking about the old cartoons from back in the day, not the dreadful live-action movie. (Commence rampant discussion on why live-action R and B was a good idea.... waiting.... waiting.... thought not. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]) -'Vana __________________ "There is a kind of happiness and wonder that makes you serious. It is too good to waste on jokes." Hi! Did you miss me?

02-25-2003, 06:21 PM	#12
Mattius Soul of Fire Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: City of Steel Posts: 666	Hee hee, or maybe they should have had long moustaches like Daniel Day Lewis in Gangs of NY!! PURE EVIIIIIIL! [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] __________________ A problem shared is a problem halved, so is your problem really yours or just half of someone else's?

02-25-2003, 08:48 PM	#13
Horse-Maiden of the Shire Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Chillaxin' with Glorfindel-441 miles on the RtR Posts: 1,197	LOL! YES! HANDLEBAR MUSTACHES!! __________________ "There's a big...machine in the sky...some kind of electric snake...coming straight at us." "Shoot it," said my attorney. "Not yet...I want to study its habits."

03-05-2003, 08:37 AM	#14
vanwalossien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: middle of Nowhere/Norway Posts: 372	You know, they could've had a Norwegian accent. Have you ever heard Norwegians who can't really speak English trying to speak English? It would definetly sound like they were up to no good..! __________________ "The ships hung in the air in much the same way as bricks don't"

03-05-2003, 11:30 AM	#15
Anything but Arwen Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In my own little world. Its OK, they know me here. Posts: 230	lol....can just see uruk hai sitting there plotting evil and twirling ridiculously long moustaches.... I swear that at one point Faramir sounds positively Australian....would probably be because he IS an aussie but thats not the point...mmm....faramir... __________________ The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits! (Dontchya just love my avatar? I got a "Tickle Me Boromir" one too...

03-05-2003, 12:14 PM	#16
Arvedui III Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In Rohan, with Carolina on my mind Posts: 629	Just thought of this: It would be really funny if the orcs were yidish. "Oy vay,you shmuck! You let the hobbits escape. Mashugina!" [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ I have no idea what you just said, but I'm inspired!

03-05-2003, 03:20 PM	#17
Rose Cotton Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: A place worse then Mordor........School! Posts: 1,075	Or what about making the orcs American. __________________ "There's nothing you can do, Harry... nothing... he's gone."-Remus Lupin "The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm."-Pippin (now how can you argue with that logic?)

03-05-2003, 03:25 PM	#18
Mattius Soul of Fire Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: City of Steel Posts: 666	No what would be best would be a really strong geordie accent, "Wai aye man! War-ar we gunna duz wit deez tings like?!" __________________ A problem shared is a problem halved, so is your problem really yours or just half of someone else's?

03-05-2003, 06:10 PM	#19
Antien Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Lothlorien Posts: 49	i'm glad they just don't have canadian accents.it would sound ridiculus(and i'm canadian) 'what this aboot the hobbits escaping, eh?' __________________ and is crazy a bad thing to you¿

03-05-2003, 07:48 PM	#20
Luthien_ Tinuviel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: A very lovely tree-hut in the Chunnel. Posts: 804	Please, say no more about the orcs being American! I am American! Although orcs with a Southern drawl would be very funny [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] . Oh wait, I just insulted myself. Not that I have a Southern drawl or anything (I hope), but I am from the South. [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img] __________________ I am a nineteen-year-old nomad photographer who owns a lemonade stand. You know what? I love Mip.

03-06-2003, 02:15 PM	#21
DaughterofVana Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: twirling contentedly in a flower-filled field Posts: 134	YIDDISH ORCS!!!! ROTFL!! (that was the first time I've ever typed that phrase, btw [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]) I think "Oy" is the greatest word alive... you can't say it without smiling. Brilliant! Though the orcs that say it would cease to be frightening.... wait. The Orcs that had the accents in the first place weren't really frightening anyway. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Off topic, but I don't care: was Gangs of NY a good movie? -'Vana __________________ "There is a kind of happiness and wonder that makes you serious. It is too good to waste on jokes." Hi! Did you miss me?

03-06-2003, 05:19 PM	#22
Arvedui III Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In Rohan, with Carolina on my mind Posts: 629	Oy is the greatest word there is, Gangs of NY is an auesome movie, canadian or southern orcs would uproariously funny( since I'm from the south, the orcs would probibly end up sounding like me and my friends, Gaah, scary thought) and I bow to Daughter of Vana for her use of the word ROTFL. Ok, I'm done. Please continue this wonderful discustion. __________________ I have no idea what you just said, but I'm inspired!

03-06-2003, 05:27 PM	#23
Horse-Maiden of the Shire Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Chillaxin' with Glorfindel-441 miles on the RtR Posts: 1,197	Well, even though I am Canadian, Canadian Orcs would be HILARIOUS! "How aboot those durned hobbits, Eh? Let's go eat some beavers!" __________________ "There's a big...machine in the sky...some kind of electric snake...coming straight at us." "Shoot it," said my attorney. "Not yet...I want to study its habits."

03-07-2003, 01:11 PM	#24
Lyra Greenleaf The Diaphanous Dryad Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: R toL: 531, past the wild path Posts: 1,152	yay! down with cockney orcs! no more phil mitchell! i think really really thick german accents: "Ve vant information! Vhere is ze ring? ve have vays of making you talk..." __________________ “Sylphs of the forest,” I whispered. “Spirits of oak, beech and ash. Dryads of Rowan and hazel, hear us. You who have guided and guarded our every footstep, you who have sheltered our growth, we honour you." the Forbidden Link

03-09-2003, 02:04 AM	#25
Kalimac Candle of the Marshes Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Flyover Country Posts: 780	I like the idea of Orcs with German accents; not to be offensive to anyone here (hey, I've got German blood about three generations back, along with a lot of Slav) but it's not as if the English-speaking world is unused to the idea of hearing its villains speak with a German accent. Yiddish Orcs would be something else. Imagine the insults when they really got going! I'd pay good money to see Ugluk and Grishnakh laying into each other like that... U: I'm Ugluk. I'm the mensch here. S: Oy, yes, and you and your schlemiels will be bringing those little momzers to the White Hand. U: Hok'n chaynik! I never heard such mishegoss. Southern Orcs would be interesting, but (speaking as a northerner) they'd talk way too slowly. Merry and Pippin could cut their bonds and slip away while Grishnakh and Ugluk were still fencing verbally. Alas, the only suggestion I can add is kind of lame. Oxonian Orcs, maybe? "Really, Grishnakh, so the grousing begins August 12, you say?" "Why yes it does, but hobbiting begins TODAY!" __________________ Father, dear Father, if you see fit, We'll send my love to college for one year yet Tie blue ribbons all about his head, To let the ladies know that he's married.

03-09-2003, 03:45 PM	#27
Mattius Soul of Fire Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: City of Steel Posts: 666	Just finished watching Goldmember for the 100th time and how about Orc's with the Dutch accent? "Yessh, thesh hobbitsh are shhalty good yesh. Oh thatsh a keeeper. Hey guysh I have a Dutcsh accshent ishn't dat vierd!" __________________ A problem shared is a problem halved, so is your problem really yours or just half of someone else's?