Did the Ents help Lothlorien out? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Noxomanus · 01-17-2004, 09:06 AM

Near the end of RotK the Fellowship, Elrond,Galadriel and Celeborn visit Isengard. Treebeard then mentions something about Orcs coming but being defeated by the Ents and 'the great ones gathered here',Galadriel and Celeborn. Did he mean Lothlorien was attacked and the Ents went to help them?

Wouldn't that be dangerous,considering they left Saruman unattended...or would he allready have gotten out of Orthanc by then?

lathspell · 01-17-2004, 10:24 AM

No, I don't think so! After reading the passage it seems to me that many orcs crossed the Anduin to attack Lothlorien and Rohan from the North and East. Treebeard says about there attack at Lothlorien that they could not come into it, thanks to the Lord and Lady. Rohan however was empty and there the Ents did help by fighting the orcs.
So, they helped defending Rohan from the North and maybe even from the East, but Lothlorien was guarded well enough.

greetings,
lathspell

Iarhen · 01-17-2004, 10:47 AM

Exactly. Lothlorien was not invaded thanks to the courage of the elves that lived there, but mainly thanks to the "secret power" that dwelt in the land (i.e. Galadriel).

The ents attacked the orcs that wanted to invade Rohan. That's the place where they helped.

doug*platypus · 01-19-2004, 03:37 PM

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Wouldn't that be dangerous,considering they left Saruman unattended...

I think that by that time the Watchwood had been 'planted' around Isengard. The huorns would have provided a nice wee leaguer to prevent anything coming in or out. Some ents must have been left at Isengard as well. Treebeard would not have left huorns without any ents, just as you wouldn't (in the old days that is) leave your sheep without a shepherd... especially if they were murderous, man-hating sheep. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Quickbeam, I'm sure, would have been more interested in keeping an eye out for Saruman so long as there was any chance of stomping or strangling involved. I think he was more concerned with revenge on Saruman himself than any orcs.

symestreem · 01-19-2004, 04:01 PM

Murderous, man-hating sheep... that's interesting.

In RotK, when the Rohirrim are riding to Gondor, their scouts tell them an army is invading from the north. During the council of the captains, someone refers to it "... an army still unfought upon our northern flank." This was that army.

NightKnight · 01-20-2004, 10:48 AM

Wasn't that the army that was supposed to cut off the rohirrim, but that got cut off itself when Gondor and Rohan won on the Pelennor Fields? Or am I mistaken now?

Finwe · 01-20-2004, 06:21 PM

I distinctly remember something about the Rohirrim sending a smaller contingent to dispatch some of the other sub-armies heading their way, during the Ride of the Rohirrim. Of course, I could be mistaken.

01-17-2004, 09:06 AM	#1
Noxomanus Wight Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 233	Did the Ents help Lothlorien out? Near the end of RotK the Fellowship, Elrond,Galadriel and Celeborn visit Isengard. Treebeard then mentions something about Orcs coming but being defeated by the Ents and 'the great ones gathered here',Galadriel and Celeborn. Did he mean Lothlorien was attacked and the Ents went to help them? Wouldn't that be dangerous,considering they left Saruman unattended...or would he allready have gotten out of Orthanc by then? __________________ Nothing is evil in the beginning,even Sauron wasn't

01-17-2004, 10:24 AM	#2
lathspell Regenerating Ringkeeper Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 757	No, I don't think so! After reading the passage it seems to me that many orcs crossed the Anduin to attack Lothlorien and Rohan from the North and East. Treebeard says about there attack at Lothlorien that they could not come into it, thanks to the Lord and Lady. Rohan however was empty and there the Ents did help by fighting the orcs. So, they helped defending Rohan from the North and maybe even from the East, but Lothlorien was guarded well enough. greetings, lathspell __________________ 'You?' cried Frodo. 'Yes, I, Gandalf the Grey,' said the wizard solemnly. 'There are many powers in the world, for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured. But my time is coming.'

01-17-2004, 10:47 AM	#3
Iarhen Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Laurelindorenan Posts: 225	Exactly. Lothlorien was not invaded thanks to the courage of the elves that lived there, but mainly thanks to the "secret power" that dwelt in the land (i.e. Galadriel). The ents attacked the orcs that wanted to invade Rohan. That's the place where they helped. __________________ "In place of a Dark Lord you will have a Queen! Not dark but beatiful and terrible as the Dawn! Treacherous as the sea! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall love me and despair!" --- Galadriel when tempted by the One Ring.

01-19-2004, 04:01 PM	#5
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Murderous, man-hating sheep... that's interesting. In RotK, when the Rohirrim are riding to Gondor, their scouts tell them an army is invading from the north. During the council of the captains, someone refers to it "... an army still unfought upon our northern flank." This was that army. __________________ A Gandalf-uncloaking-free zone.

01-20-2004, 10:48 AM	#6
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Wasn't that the army that was supposed to cut off the rohirrim, but that got cut off itself when Gondor and Rohan won on the Pelennor Fields? Or am I mistaken now? __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

01-20-2004, 06:21 PM	#7
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	I distinctly remember something about the Rohirrim sending a smaller contingent to dispatch some of the other sub-armies heading their way, during the Ride of the Rohirrim. Of course, I could be mistaken. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.