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09-22-2003, 03:47 PM | #1 | |
Shade of Carn Dûm
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Poor Sam...or...Not?
I have a Sam question that's been bothering me for a long time. Did Sam ever join Frodo at the Gray Havens? My book ends with Sam saying:
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09-22-2003, 04:05 PM | #2 | |
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In a great lack of time, all I can do is quote Appendix B:
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09-22-2003, 04:34 PM | #3 |
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The actually book does not end with Sam's departure from the Grey Havens to the Undying Lands, but it is, as Nurumaiel pointed out, mentioned in the Appendices.
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09-22-2003, 06:45 PM | #4 |
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It is mainly a matter of interpretation, that is all. Some people that I have talked to believe that Sam never did make it to Aman, and that he died at the Grey Havens or thereabouts. Others say that he did sail on the last ship to Aman (along with Cirdan). It really depends on your outlook about the relationship between Frodo and Sam. I would like to think that the two friends were reunited in the Blessed Isles, and knowing Tolkien's penchant for mostly happy endings, I think that's how it would be.
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09-25-2003, 11:23 AM | #5 |
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and the ship on which frodo went to Aman, wasn't the last one. Celeborn lingered some time in Rivendell after Galadriel left, and took ship later, as did Legolas.
(I think the name Last Ship was symbolic for the dwindling of the elves in ME: on this ship, their mightiest lords set sail yo Aman, thus closing the elvish reign in ME)
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09-27-2003, 07:56 AM | #6 | |
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Sam did go to the Undying Lands. Tolkien states that very clearly in the Letters. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
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09-28-2003, 11:00 AM | #7 | |
Shade of Carn Dûm
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That is a very good point, Amarie of the Vanyar , and as I have not yet read the Letters, I have missed that point.
Finwe :I agree that interpretation is a big part of it, and I liked to think that he DID find Frodo at the havens. Also, someone's siggy (I don't remember who)says Quote:
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