Gandalf fends off balrog - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

tulkas · 01-04-2002, 12:36 AM

When Gandalf fends off the balrog on the bridge of Khazad-Dûm, he says that he is the wielder of the Secret Flame and bearer of the fire of Anor. The tells the balrog that the Dark Fire would be of no use to him and calls him the Flame of Udûn. what exactly does he mean?

Elrian · 01-06-2002, 03:35 AM

Udun is the source of the dark flame of the Balrogs, possibly Utumno, possibly the darkness of the spirit of Melkor.

Anor is the power wielded by Gandalf.

Nefwathiel Teleri · 03-15-2002, 09:00 PM

Udun was the fire that Melkor created in the belly of the earth in mockery of the Flame Imperishable of Illuvatar. The flame of Anor was fire taken from the new young sun driven by Arien who gathered it for Manwe.Whew. that was long. sorry if i bored you to death. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

01-04-2002, 12:36 AM	#1
tulkas Pile O'Bones Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 19	Gandalf fends off balrog When Gandalf fends off the balrog on the bridge of Khazad-Dûm, he says that he is the wielder of the Secret Flame and bearer of the fire of Anor. The tells the balrog that the Dark Fire would be of no use to him and calls him the Flame of Udûn. what exactly does he mean?

01-06-2002, 03:35 AM	#2
Elrian Eldar Spirit of Truth Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Land of the FREE, Home of the BRAVE Posts: 794	Udun is the source of the dark flame of the Balrogs, possibly Utumno, possibly the darkness of the spirit of Melkor. Anor is the power wielded by Gandalf. __________________ ~Call me a relic, call me what you will. Say I'm old fashioned , say I'm over the hill. That old whine ain't got no soul. I'll stick to Old Toby and a Hobbit hole.~

03-15-2002, 09:00 PM	#3
Nefwathiel Teleri Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 122	Udun was the fire that Melkor created in the belly of the earth in mockery of the Flame Imperishable of Illuvatar. The flame of Anor was fire taken from the new young sun driven by Arien who gathered it for Manwe.Whew. that was long. sorry if i bored you to death. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]