Who is Morwen? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Eruwen · 02-02-2003, 08:51 PM

I've seen this name on RPG's, but I thought someone made it up. Then I saw it on the cast list for ROTK. Some girl named Robyn Malcolm is playing her in that movie. I don't remember her from the books. Can anyone clarify if this is just a made up person for the movie or if she really was in ROTK?

Iarwain · 02-02-2003, 09:13 PM

Morwen, who definately should not be in the movies, was the mother of Turin Turambar in the First Age. You would only recognize her name if you had read the Silmarillion. She has a very heart wrenching story. Her son (Turin) leaves her at a fairly young age to go in search of help from Thingol, the king of Doriath. Eventually, she travels in search of him with her daughter, but reaches thingol and finds him newly departed. She eventually goes looking again, but is then put under some sort of enchantment by Glaurung, the first dragon. She eventually finds her way, and meets her long lost husband Hurin minutes before her death. The story is one of the greatest of Middle-Earth, and is much more complex than I have described it here. READ THE SILMARILLION!!!!!

Iarwain

Beren87 · 02-02-2003, 09:24 PM

Ah, Morwen is the mother of Theoden. She was a Dunadan of Gondor.

Tar-Palantir · 02-02-2003, 09:47 PM

I was able to search this out, as I had not heard of Morwen either.

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Per LOTR and Unfinished Tales, Morwen of Lossnarch was Theoden's mother, and kinswoman of Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth. She was of high Numenorean descent. (This explains Aragorn's observation that Eomer is a kinsman from afar.)

Strictly speaking, Morwen must have been long dead by the time of the War of the Ring. It seems unlikely that the movie would have a flashback showing Theoden's youth long before the timeline of the War.

Although "Morwen" is a name foreign to the Rohirrim, it would be considered a name of honor, and so later generations may have used it.

Unfinished Tales also has the dramatic story of the Oath of Eorl on Elendil's tomb on top of Halifirien, and mentions that this Oath was renewed by Eomer to Aragorn, since Eorl had sworn only in the presence of the Steward, not the King.

It is plausible that this scene of Eomer's oath could be added to Return of the King, giving the characters something to do on the ride from Gondor to Rohan with Theoden's bier, besides getting saddle sore

Beren87 · 02-02-2003, 09:53 PM

I could see PJ doing a 'lil "life flashing before his eyes" type thing at Theoden's death. Plus, he already has changed enough, it wouldn't be strange for him to include Morwen in.

Or, he could have just made up a character.

Diamond18 · 02-02-2003, 11:30 PM

I thought Morwen (in the movie, now, I know about Turin and Theoden's mother) was the mother of Freya and Éothain, the two little kids who rode to Edoras. In the cast list on imdb.com they said "Morwen, Refugee of Rohan."

Does "Morwen" mean "Black woman"?

Beren87 · 02-02-2003, 11:31 PM

Morwen is Sindarin for Dark Lady.

Diamond18 · 02-02-2003, 11:34 PM

Ah, thank you. I'm bad at the languages...

Inderjit Sanghera · 02-03-2003, 09:40 AM

So Morwen was that old lady who took up so much screen time with her useless(ish) sub-plot. I mean come on, if we got rid of that, and Faramir's role-change then we coudl've put the cleansing of Isengard in for a sec. It's funny becuase at first, when I read the cast list, I was thinking why on earth Morwen of F.A was in L.O.T.R.

[ February 03, 2003: Message edited by: Inderjit Sanghera ]

Lalaith · 02-03-2003, 10:27 AM

A list of cats? My, they *did* go off topic in TTT, didn't they. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Inderjit Sanghera · 02-03-2003, 10:46 AM

Stupid typos.

Speaking of cats and Middle-earth , is it me or did J.R.R dislike cats? (In BoLT 2, Sauron was a cat, though a giant Panther liek one at that.) Does anyone know why or if J.R.R hated them?

Manardariel · 02-04-2003, 01:41 PM

What?? I liked the *useless subplot*, seriously. I thought it was good because you could get the impression that war means heroic battle and elves skating down steps on shields. The *useless sublot* showed that war also means fear, families driven apart, and many, many lost lifes. Maybe something we should remeber these days.

InklingElf · 02-04-2003, 01:57 PM

Morwen...Now that I think more of the name, ofcourse it means dark lady but look at the mor in Morwen. Since she was mortal I was thinking of the 'mor' to mean 'mortal' and 'wen' is simply lady.

So it could be Mortal Lady. Heh-whata concept. I think i'll just use it to remember that Morwen is mortal...::shrugs::

02-02-2003, 08:51 PM	#1
Eruwen Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 892	Who is Morwen? I've seen this name on RPG's, but I thought someone made it up. Then I saw it on the cast list for ROTK. Some girl named Robyn Malcolm is playing her in that movie. I don't remember her from the books. Can anyone clarify if this is just a made up person for the movie or if she really was in ROTK?

02-02-2003, 09:13 PM	#2
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 800	Morwen, who definately should not be in the movies, was the mother of Turin Turambar in the First Age. You would only recognize her name if you had read the Silmarillion. She has a very heart wrenching story. Her son (Turin) leaves her at a fairly young age to go in search of help from Thingol, the king of Doriath. Eventually, she travels in search of him with her daughter, but reaches thingol and finds him newly departed. She eventually goes looking again, but is then put under some sort of enchantment by Glaurung, the first dragon. She eventually finds her way, and meets her long lost husband Hurin minutes before her death. The story is one of the greatest of Middle-Earth, and is much more complex than I have described it here. READ THE SILMARILLION!!!!! Iarwain __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

02-02-2003, 11:30 PM	#6
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	I thought Morwen (in the movie, now, I know about Turin and Theoden's mother) was the mother of Freya and Éothain, the two little kids who rode to Edoras. In the cast list on imdb.com they said "Morwen, Refugee of Rohan." Does "Morwen" mean "Black woman"? __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

02-02-2003, 11:34 PM	#8
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	Ah, thank you. I'm bad at the languages... __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

02-03-2003, 09:40 AM	#9
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	So Morwen was that old lady who took up so much screen time with her useless(ish) sub-plot. I mean come on, if we got rid of that, and Faramir's role-change then we coudl've put the cleansing of Isengard in for a sec. It's funny becuase at first, when I read the cast list, I was thinking why on earth Morwen of F.A was in L.O.T.R. [ February 03, 2003: Message edited by: Inderjit Sanghera ] __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

02-02-2003, 09:24 PM	#3
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	Ah, Morwen is the mother of Theoden. She was a Dunadan of Gondor.

02-02-2003, 09:53 PM	#5
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	I could see PJ doing a 'lil "life flashing before his eyes" type thing at Theoden's death. Plus, he already has changed enough, it wouldn't be strange for him to include Morwen in. Or, he could have just made up a character.

02-02-2003, 11:31 PM	#7
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	Morwen is Sindarin for Dark Lady.

02-03-2003, 10:27 AM	#10
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	A list of cats? My, they did go off topic in TTT, didn't they. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

02-03-2003, 10:46 AM	#11
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	Stupid typos. Speaking of cats and Middle-earth , is it me or did J.R.R dislike cats? (In BoLT 2, Sauron was a cat, though a giant Panther liek one at that.) Does anyone know why or if J.R.R hated them? __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

02-04-2003, 01:41 PM	#12
Manardariel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 807	What?? I liked the useless subplot, seriously. I thought it was good because you could get the impression that war means heroic battle and elves skating down steps on shields. The useless sublot showed that war also means fear, families driven apart, and many, many lost lifes. Maybe something we should remeber these days. __________________ Love is a perky elf dancing a merry little jig and then suddenly he turns on you with a miniature machine gun. Blog :-)\|FanFic Dream City

02-04-2003, 01:57 PM	#13
InklingElf Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 402	Morwen...Now that I think more of the name, ofcourse it means dark lady but look at the mor in Morwen. Since she was mortal I was thinking of the 'mor' to mean 'mortal' and 'wen' is simply lady. So it could be Mortal Lady. Heh-whata concept. I think i'll just use it to remember that Morwen is mortal...::shrugs::