Who was the greatest Hobbit? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Mattius · 01-28-2003, 09:47 AM

Like the other threads for dragons, elves and men, who was the greatest Hobbit. Frodo and Bilbo have strong cases here but my vote goes to Bullroarer Took (sp?) if it is who I am thinking of. Its the hobbit who leads the victory against the orcs and invents the game of golf at the same time!!! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] WHAT A GUY!

Estelyn Telcontar · 01-28-2003, 12:37 PM

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eleanor_niphredil · 01-28-2003, 01:13 PM

In my opinion, inventing golf is a hanging offence. But maybe thats just me...

Greatest hobbit was definatly Elanor Gamgee. She gets the best dad in the world, and is maid of honour to Arwen queen of Gondor. What more could you ask for.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 01-28-2003, 04:41 PM

Frodo Baggins. You all know the reasons.

Ainaserkewen · 01-28-2003, 05:13 PM

Hello! Frodo was the greatest! He saved the world, for elves sakes! The Bullroarer, one of Frodo's distant relations, maybe was the greatest in his time, but Frodo was definately the greatest of all time.

cannedpoatoe · 01-28-2003, 06:59 PM

Can there be a tie?Well..I say Frodo and Sam because they saved Middle Earth gosh darn it,

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Frodo wouldn't have gotten far without Sam

yep yep....its a tie.

Rumil · 01-28-2003, 07:01 PM

Marcho and Blanco cos they persuaded all the rest of the hobbits to leave home and travel [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Arwen_Evenstar · 01-28-2003, 08:21 PM

Samwise. That is the answer. Without him Frodo would have gotten no-where. He was a ring-bearer.He blinded and mortally wounded shelob. He was seven times elected mayor of the shire. He had thirteen children. THIRTEEN! That, my friends, is no mean feat(even though rosie did most of the work there, sam had his part [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ). And he sailed to Valinor. I know Frodo had the ring, but he would have failed the quest if SAM wasn't there. Simple as that. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Tar-Palantir · 01-28-2003, 08:28 PM

C'mon, no vote for Bilbo?

Most importantly he found the Ring,

Saved the mighty Dwarves (most notably Gloin Gimli's father, Balin and Thorin) from death by the Giant Spiders and from imprisonment by the Elves of Mirkwood,

He found Smaug's weakness, leading to Bard's great victory and ascent,

He selflessly took the Arkenstone out of the Lonely Mountain and so in the end helped the cause of victory in the Battle of Five Armies,

Wisely chose Frodo as his heir and gave up the Ring, no small deed,

All his other selfless deeds, like giving to Frodo his Mithril shirt and the sword Sting, generosity to other hobbits (alluded to by the quality of presents he handed out, etc...)

Not to mention he began the Red Book of Westmarch, which as we all know, is a treasure!

Arwen_Evenstar · 01-28-2003, 08:31 PM

Nope, it's Samwise.

Legolas · 01-28-2003, 08:56 PM

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Samwise. That is the answer. Without him Frodo would have gotten no-where. He was a ring-bearer.He blinded and mortally wounded shelob. He was seven times elected mayor of the shire. He had thirteen children. THIRTEEN! That, my friends, is no mean feat(even though rosie did most of the work there, sam had his part ). And he sailed to Valinor. I know Frodo had the ring, but he would have failed the quest if SAM wasn't there. Simple as that.

This is silly. Your logic does not follow.

Sam wouldn't have made the quest without Frodo either.

Forget that?

[ January 28, 2003: Message edited by: Legolas ]

propagandalf · 01-28-2003, 09:53 PM

Who was the greatest hobbit? GOLLUM of course, he was a hobbit right? Sort of a hobbit.. or something.. does he count?

(WARNING: THE RETURN OF THE KING SPOILERS) Don't read further if you haven't read the booooooook.

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"Hello! Frodo was the greatest! He saved the world, for elves sakes! The Bullroarer, one of Frodo's distant relations, maybe was the greatest in his time, but Frodo was definitely the greatest of all time."

Ermm.. technically GOLLUM saved the world, remember? Frodo was weak like Isildur. He couldn't give it up. If Gollum had not bitten off Frodo's finger and fallen into fiery chasm from whence the ring came, Middle earth and everything in it is screwed. Clearly Gollum is the hero of this story [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img].

Seriously though, Bilbo gets my vote. He is the one and only hobbit and/or ring bearer to give up the precious willingly after years of possessing (or being possessed by)it. Just like that, he gave it up. Plus, he is an artist! and a historian too. Also, the author of one of my favorite books "The Hobbit", hehe. Yes, yes we likes him.. nice hobbit Bilbo...

Diamond18 · 01-28-2003, 10:44 PM

Peregrin Took. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

No, seriously, it's Frodo. Tolkien did say that Sam was the "genuine hobbit", but as far as Middle-earth is concerned, it would have to be Frodo. Sam helped him in his journey, but Frodo had to bear the Ring by himself most of the time. So Bullroarer was big, did he save the world? So Bilbo helped bring about the events in LotR by finding the Ring, did he carry it to Mount Doom?

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Frodo was very brave, wasn't he dad?

Yes, my boy, the famousest of hobbits, and that's saying a lot!

Inderjit Sanghera · 01-29-2003, 03:05 AM

Frodo. Well, he did undertake the quest and took the ring of power with the intention of destroying it.

[ January 29, 2003: Message edited by: Inderjit Sanghera ]

Liriodendron · 01-29-2003, 02:34 PM

Elrond said that Frodo would have a seat among the mighty elf-friends of old.... Hador, Hurin, Turin, and even Beren. Elrond's opinion is good enough for me, so I say FRODO! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] I must admit though, Bilbo giving up the Arkenstone like that was wonderful! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 01-30-2003, 05:31 AM

Frodo's weakness at Mount Doom doesn't come into it because no Hobbit could have thrown in the Ring.

MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie · 01-30-2003, 01:39 PM

I say that it's a tie between Frodo and Bilbo. Sam is a great hobbit, but Frodo and Bilbo are definately above Sam.

Inderjit Sanghera · 01-30-2003, 02:26 PM

I hate Sam. He has always annoyed me. What of the Old Took? He seemed quite wise.

Elfchick7 · 01-30-2003, 03:36 PM

[img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] How could anyone not like Sam he such a good friend he never gets upset with Frodo even when Frodo snaps ant him. Also throuugh the entire war of thr Ring Sam stays as innocent and simple as any other hobbit who never left the Shire or saw such dark times.
Sam and Frodo are a team niether one would have made it without the other. my vote is definitly for Sam and Frodo!!!

the guy who be short · 01-30-2003, 03:58 PM

i second elfchicks opinion
after all their journeys together, frodo and sam must be considered together rather than seperately. neither would have made the journey without the other.
thoguh bilbos adventures may have seemed fun, frodo/sams was serious and important
sure, he found the ring, but ultimately it was frodo/sam (mind if i call him frosam?) who destroyed it.
it obviously wasnt gollum, who didnt wish to destroy it at all, that was only chance, because he was following frosam.
the old took? we know absolutely nothing about him otherthan the fact that he was wise and lived to be 130. i dont really think that qualifies him
and the rest? no. it has to be frosam, because they saved middle earth. i vote frosam

Carrûn · 01-30-2003, 06:10 PM

I would say Bilbo since he managed to give the Ring up willingly (albeit with a bit of help from Gandalf). Frodo would get my vote for most famous.

However it also comes to mind that while Bilbo possesed the Ring longer than Frodo, Frodo's time with it was filled with much more peril and led directly into the heart of the Dark Lord's kingdom where the potency of the Ring would be at its height.

So maybe it's Frodo then.

To me it seems like a question to which there is no real definate answer.

Liriodendron · 01-30-2003, 06:28 PM

Poor Frodo kept trying to give the ring away, but his intended recipients wouldn't take the icky thing! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

[ January 30, 2003: Message edited by: Liriodendron ]

**The Saucepan Man** · 01-30-2003, 06:45 PM

Surely, Frodo must win hands down, for all the reasons that have been stated. He was the Ringbearer while the Ring was steadily gaining in power and brought it all the way through a multitude of perils right to Mount Doom, practically on Sauron's doorstep for goodness sake, thus precipitating its and Sauron's destruction and saving ME.

But, Bilbo is my favorite.

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thoguh bilbos adventures may have seemed fun ...

Well, they seemed fun because it is a children's story. But he was nearly eaten by Trolls, Wargs and Spiders, nearly killed by Gollum and Goblins, and nearly killed at the Battle of Five Armies, to name but a few of the perils that he faced. And he bandied words with a Dragon (and found Smaug's vunerable spot). So, probably not all that fun for him at the time. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Lotrelf · 03-17-2014, 12:57 AM

It'd have to be Frodo hands down for all the reasons mentioned above. Then, I'd go for Sam. Going to Mordor out of love for a friend isn't a tiny miny thingy.

Morthoron · 03-17-2014, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotrelf

It'd have to be Frodo hands down for all the reasons mentioned above. Then, I'd go for Sam. Going to Mordor out of love for a friend isn't a tiny miny thingy.

Bandobras Took. He invented golf, after all.

Lotrelf · 03-18-2014, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Morthoron

Bandobras Took. He invented golf, after all.

Ha! It's Frodo, still. He bore the ONE RING. If you were joking, then, I'd say: Geez! Very funny.

If not, then, this quote may explain something to you!

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Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

Frodo bore the Ring, that was trying to dominate his WILL every second of his life. Its power grew with every step Fro & Sam took to Mordor.

Morthoron · 03-18-2014, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Lotrelf

Ha! It's Frodo, still. He bore the ONE RING. If you were joking, then, I'd say: Geez! Very funny.

If not, then, this quote may explain something to you!

Frodo bore the Ring, that was trying to dominate his WILL every second of his life. Its power grew with every step Fro & Sam took to Mordor.

All the Rings are gone. Only golf remains. Golf is greater than rings.

Lotrelf · 03-18-2014, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Morthoron

All the Rings are gone. Only golf remains. Golf is greater than rings.

Golf remains because the Ring is gone. Had it not been for Frodo carrying the Ring to Mordor, Souron would have won. And then, instead of playing Golf, people would be screaming with pain!!! All around darkness, sadness. I don't think people would even want to play Golf when it is dark like hell.

Morthoron · 03-18-2014, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Lotrelf

Golf remains because the Ring is gone. Had it not been for Frodo carrying the Ring to Mordor, Souron would have won. And then, instead of playing Golf, people would be screaming with pain!!! All around darkness, sadness. I don't think people would even want to play Golf when it is dark like hell.

On the contrary, I can imagine a miniature golf course designed along the lines of a Hieronymus Bosch painting.

Smaug's voice · 03-22-2014, 11:44 AM

My vote would be for Smeagol's grandmother. Afterall, she did taught Gollum to "suck eggs".

Inziladun · 03-22-2014, 01:07 PM

The Gaffer's caretaker. Because Widow Rumble is the best Hobbit name ever. She must have been a wrestler in her spare time.

Faramir Jones · 03-25-2014, 01:14 PM

I vote for Sam; because while he and Bilbo are the only two beings to voluntarily give up the One Ring, he went further, taking the Ring while knowing the risks, in order to stop it falling into the hands of Sauron. It is no wonder that the relevant chapter is called The Choices of Master Samwise.

He then resisted the call of the Ring, which was offering to make him 'Samwise the Strong', due to his 'hobbit common sense'. Sam then, after rescuing Frodo, voluntarily gave the Ring back to him. In doing all this, he ensured that the War of the Ring was won.

Mithalwen · 03-25-2014, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

The Gaffer's caretaker. Because Widow Rumble is the best Hobbit name ever. She must have been a wrestler in her spare time.

I assumed she just had chronic indigestion...

01-28-2003, 09:47 AM	#1
Mattius Soul of Fire Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: City of Steel Posts: 666	Who was the greatest Hobbit? Like the other threads for dragons, elves and men, who was the greatest Hobbit. Frodo and Bilbo have strong cases here but my vote goes to Bullroarer Took (sp?) if it is who I am thinking of. Its the hobbit who leads the victory against the orcs and invents the game of golf at the same time!!! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] WHAT A GUY! __________________ A problem shared is a problem halved, so is your problem really yours or just half of someone else's?

01-28-2003, 12:37 PM	#2
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Opinion topics should be placed on the Novices and Newcomers forum - this one has been moved, so please read and post there. Thanks! __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

01-28-2003, 01:13 PM	#3
eleanor_niphredil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: england Posts: 805	In my opinion, inventing golf is a hanging offence. But maybe thats just me... Greatest hobbit was definatly Elanor Gamgee. She gets the best dad in the world, and is maid of honour to Arwen queen of Gondor. What more could you ask for. __________________ Here I am, brain the size of a planet, and they ask me to spend my time on this forum. And by the way, for any of you turning into a penguin, stop it. ~* I am Pippin took in the Female Fellowship*~

01-28-2003, 04:41 PM	#4
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Frodo Baggins. You all know the reasons. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

01-28-2003, 05:13 PM	#5
Ainaserkewen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A cosmic waiting room Posts: 651	Hello! Frodo was the greatest! He saved the world, for elves sakes! The Bullroarer, one of Frodo's distant relations, maybe was the greatest in his time, but Frodo was definately the greatest of all time. __________________ Solus... I'm eating chicken again. I ate chicken yesterday and the day before... will I be eating chicken again tomorrow? Why am I always eating chicken?

01-28-2003, 07:01 PM	#7
Rumil Sage & Onions Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Britain Posts: 894	Marcho and Blanco cos they persuaded all the rest of the hobbits to leave home and travel [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ Rumil of Coedhirion

01-28-2003, 08:21 PM	#8
Arwen_Evenstar Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 206	Samwise. That is the answer. Without him Frodo would have gotten no-where. He was a ring-bearer.He blinded and mortally wounded shelob. He was seven times elected mayor of the shire. He had thirteen children. THIRTEEN! That, my friends, is no mean feat(even though rosie did most of the work there, sam had his part [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ). And he sailed to Valinor. I know Frodo had the ring, but he would have failed the quest if SAM wasn't there. Simple as that. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ 'I am Agarwaen, Son of Úmarth...'-Túrin Turambar. Arwen_Evenstar

01-28-2003, 08:28 PM	#9
Tar-Palantir Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: napa valley, ca Posts: 496	C'mon, no vote for Bilbo? Most importantly he found the Ring, Saved the mighty Dwarves (most notably Gloin Gimli's father, Balin and Thorin) from death by the Giant Spiders and from imprisonment by the Elves of Mirkwood, He found Smaug's weakness, leading to Bard's great victory and ascent, He selflessly took the Arkenstone out of the Lonely Mountain and so in the end helped the cause of victory in the Battle of Five Armies, Wisely chose Frodo as his heir and gave up the Ring, no small deed, All his other selfless deeds, like giving to Frodo his Mithril shirt and the sword Sting, generosity to other hobbits (alluded to by the quality of presents he handed out, etc...) Not to mention he began the Red Book of Westmarch, which as we all know, is a treasure! __________________ History shows again and again How nature points up the folly of men Go, go, Godzilla!

01-28-2003, 08:31 PM	#10
Arwen_Evenstar Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 206	Nope, it's Samwise. __________________ 'I am Agarwaen, Son of Úmarth...'-Túrin Turambar. Arwen_Evenstar

01-29-2003, 03:05 AM	#14
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	Frodo. Well, he did undertake the quest and took the ring of power with the intention of destroying it. [ January 29, 2003: Message edited by: Inderjit Sanghera ] __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

01-29-2003, 02:34 PM	#15
Liriodendron Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 527	Elrond said that Frodo would have a seat among the mighty elf-friends of old.... Hador, Hurin, Turin, and even Beren. Elrond's opinion is good enough for me, so I say FRODO! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] I must admit though, Bilbo giving up the Arkenstone like that was wonderful! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ http://www.lizmargason.com

01-30-2003, 05:31 AM	#16
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Frodo's weakness at Mount Doom doesn't come into it because no Hobbit could have thrown in the Ring. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

01-30-2003, 01:39 PM	#17
MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 573	I say that it's a tie between Frodo and Bilbo. Sam is a great hobbit, but Frodo and Bilbo are definately above Sam. __________________ Do Not Touch -Willie

01-30-2003, 02:26 PM	#18
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	I hate Sam. He has always annoyed me. What of the Old Took? He seemed quite wise. __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

01-30-2003, 03:36 PM	#19
Elfchick7 Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In the Greenwood Posts: 201	[img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] How could anyone not like Sam he such a good friend he never gets upset with Frodo even when Frodo snaps ant him. Also throuugh the entire war of thr Ring Sam stays as innocent and simple as any other hobbit who never left the Shire or saw such dark times. Sam and Frodo are a team niether one would have made it without the other. my vote is definitly for Sam and Frodo!!! __________________ "Yesterday is history. Tommorow is a mystery. Today is a gift from God. That's why it's called the PRESENT!"

01-30-2003, 03:58 PM	#20
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	i second elfchicks opinion after all their journeys together, frodo and sam must be considered together rather than seperately. neither would have made the journey without the other. thoguh bilbos adventures may have seemed fun, frodo/sams was serious and important sure, he found the ring, but ultimately it was frodo/sam (mind if i call him frosam?) who destroyed it. it obviously wasnt gollum, who didnt wish to destroy it at all, that was only chance, because he was following frosam. the old took? we know absolutely nothing about him otherthan the fact that he was wise and lived to be 130. i dont really think that qualifies him and the rest? no. it has to be frosam, because they saved middle earth. i vote frosam

01-30-2003, 06:10 PM	#21
Carrûn Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Behind you, counting to 3 Posts: 234	I would say Bilbo since he managed to give the Ring up willingly (albeit with a bit of help from Gandalf). Frodo would get my vote for most famous. However it also comes to mind that while Bilbo possesed the Ring longer than Frodo, Frodo's time with it was filled with much more peril and led directly into the heart of the Dark Lord's kingdom where the potency of the Ring would be at its height. So maybe it's Frodo then. To me it seems like a question to which there is no real definate answer. __________________ "Dic, hospes, Spartae, nos te hic vidisse iacentes dum sanctis patriae legibus obsequimur."

01-30-2003, 06:28 PM	#22
Liriodendron Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 527	Poor Frodo kept trying to give the ring away, but his intended recipients wouldn't take the icky thing! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [ January 30, 2003: Message edited by: Liriodendron ] __________________ http://www.lizmargason.com

03-17-2014, 12:57 AM	#24
Lotrelf Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 265	It'd have to be Frodo hands down for all the reasons mentioned above. Then, I'd go for Sam. Going to Mordor out of love for a friend isn't a tiny miny thingy. __________________ A short saying oft contains much wisdom. ~Sophocles

03-22-2014, 11:44 AM	#30
Smaug's voice Newly Deceased Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: India Posts: 8	My vote would be for Smeagol's grandmother. Afterall, she did taught Gollum to "suck eggs". __________________ My armor is like tenfold shields, my teeth are swords, my claws spears, the shock of my tail a thunderbolt, my wings a hurricane, and my breath death! ~Smaug

03-22-2014, 01:07 PM	#31
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,037	The Gaffer's caretaker. Because Widow Rumble is the best Hobbit name ever. She must have been a wrestler in her spare time. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

03-25-2014, 01:14 PM	#32
Faramir Jones Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lonely Isle Posts: 706	Samwise Gamgee I vote for Sam; because while he and Bilbo are the only two beings to voluntarily give up the One Ring, he went further, taking the Ring while knowing the risks, in order to stop it falling into the hands of Sauron. It is no wonder that the relevant chapter is called The Choices of Master Samwise. He then resisted the call of the Ring, which was offering to make him 'Samwise the Strong', due to his 'hobbit common sense'. Sam then, after rescuing Frodo, voluntarily gave the Ring back to him. In doing all this, he ensured that the War of the Ring was won.