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Anorien · 07-08-2002, 03:37 PM

Gollum was bad, i know that. but, they call him a creature. Is this true? because he refers to himself as Smeagol too. That is said to be the hobbit side of him. SO, was he a hobbit at one time??? And if so, is that why Bilbo said he felt stretched out? I mean, look at gollum! Does anyone know??

Daniel Telcontar · 07-08-2002, 03:50 PM

Gollum was once a hobbit, but at the time of the War of the Ring, he is at least 500 years old. So most of his hobbit-nature has died out.
Bilbo felt stretched because the Ring does not give you more life, it extends the one you already have. So it seemed to Bilbo his life was being stretched.

Anorien · 07-08-2002, 03:51 PM

whoa, thnx!

Caradhras · 07-10-2002, 02:42 PM

Hey~
But that doesn't make any sense unless the people who made the movie screwed up because at the beginning of the movie when she is explaining things she says the ring abandons( spelt wrong ) gollum and lands in the most unlikely of creatures hands... or whatever she says but it is something like that!! Well, can someone explain that please! Laters~!

Anorien · 07-10-2002, 02:43 PM

see, that has always confused me!

akhtene · 07-10-2002, 03:00 PM

I think that's because Smeagol (Gollum) wanted it, and killed for it, and finally left his people... Whereas Bilbo just found it by chance and didn't think much of it. If it wasn't for Gollum again, who was tortured in Mordor and let out Bilbo's name, I think the Ring could stay in the Shire for quite a lot more time. So it foung a wrong keeper (from its point of view)

07-10-2002, 03:14 PM

It's just really confusing!!!! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Caradhras has taken over my virtual body! So if I/her say anything strange, blame her! Nu uh !!!! [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Oh and if I seem to be talking to myself, I'm really talking to her.

Arwen Imladris · 07-10-2002, 06:33 PM

Gollum was a hobbit at one point in time. He and his relatives lived by the water. One day he was swimming with his friend, his friend found the ring and Gollum killed him. He rationalized it by saying that it was his birthday present. The ring eventually twisted him so much that he was hardly a hobbit anymore. He was also starved, which made him look very Un-hobitlike.

Elendur · 07-10-2002, 07:55 PM

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the ring abandons( spelt wrong ) gollum and lands in the most unlikely of creatures hands... or whatever she says but it is something like that!! Well, can someone explain that please!

Well, if you think about it logically this statement makes perfect sense. A hobbit has lived his whole life in The Shire and is use to an extremely comfortable and safe lifestyle and he is the one to find the One Ring?
Basically everyone on Middle Earth viewed hobbits as simpleton farmers who were completely unaware of the world around them. That is not far from the truth. The dwarves doubt hobbits so much that Gandalf practically has to lie to them and shove them on their way when trying to get them to meet Bilbo. When the dwarves meet Bilbo they find that all their worst fears have come true. He is scared of the thought of leaving The Shire and seems like the worst choice Gandalf could have possibly made to join their party. And this is the person that will find the the most evil and powerful object on all of Middle Earth?
That is why they say he was very unlikely to be the one to find the ring.

07-08-2002, 03:37 PM	#1
Anorien Wight Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Old Navy of Rohan Posts: 138	my pesssssious Gollum was bad, i know that. but, they call him a creature. Is this true? because he refers to himself as Smeagol too. That is said to be the hobbit side of him. SO, was he a hobbit at one time??? And if so, is that why Bilbo said he felt stretched out? I mean, look at gollum! Does anyone know?? __________________ FRODO: all low and retarded Oh Mr. Frodo, do you have any more food? Here eat mine, I’m so fat. How about I carry the ring for you. It’s soooo pretty, I mean heavy! SAM: Why you little-! FRODO: You asked for it!

07-08-2002, 03:50 PM	#2
Daniel Telcontar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 713	Gollum was once a hobbit, but at the time of the War of the Ring, he is at least 500 years old. So most of his hobbit-nature has died out. Bilbo felt stretched because the Ring does not give you more life, it extends the one you already have. So it seemed to Bilbo his life was being stretched. __________________ Two beer or not two beer, that is the question; by Shakesbeer

07-08-2002, 03:51 PM	#3
Anorien Wight Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Old Navy of Rohan Posts: 138	whoa, thnx! __________________ FRODO: all low and retarded Oh Mr. Frodo, do you have any more food? Here eat mine, I’m so fat. How about I carry the ring for you. It’s soooo pretty, I mean heavy! SAM: Why you little-! FRODO: You asked for it!

07-10-2002, 02:42 PM	#4
Caradhras Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: the moon Posts: 55	Hey~ But that doesn't make any sense unless the people who made the movie screwed up because at the beginning of the movie when she is explaining things she says the ring abandons( spelt wrong ) gollum and lands in the most unlikely of creatures hands... or whatever she says but it is something like that!! Well, can someone explain that please! Laters~! __________________ There is only one true reason for living... ME!!!!!!!!! http://www.uniquehardware.co.uk/serv...tz/grommit.gif http://216.40.201.38/otn/animals/bl_paw.gif

07-10-2002, 02:43 PM	#5
Anorien Wight Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Old Navy of Rohan Posts: 138	see, that has always confused me! __________________ FRODO: all low and retarded Oh Mr. Frodo, do you have any more food? Here eat mine, I’m so fat. How about I carry the ring for you. It’s soooo pretty, I mean heavy! SAM: Why you little-! FRODO: You asked for it!

07-10-2002, 03:00 PM	#6
akhtene Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2002 Location: stronghold of the North Posts: 390	I think that's because Smeagol (Gollum) wanted it, and killed for it, and finally left his people... Whereas Bilbo just found it by chance and didn't think much of it. If it wasn't for Gollum again, who was tortured in Mordor and let out Bilbo's name, I think the Ring could stay in the Shire for quite a lot more time. So it foung a wrong keeper (from its point of view) __________________ Где найти мне сил, чтобы вернуться через века, Чтобы ты - простил?.. А трава разлуки высока...

07-10-2002, 03:14 PM	#7
Avalon Guest Posts: n/a	It's just really confusing!!!! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Caradhras has taken over my virtual body! So if I/her say anything strange, blame her! Nu uh !!!! [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] Oh and if I seem to be talking to myself, I'm really talking to her.

07-10-2002, 06:33 PM	#8
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	Gollum was a hobbit at one point in time. He and his relatives lived by the water. One day he was swimming with his friend, his friend found the ring and Gollum killed him. He rationalized it by saying that it was his birthday present. The ring eventually twisted him so much that he was hardly a hobbit anymore. He was also starved, which made him look very Un-hobitlike. __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."