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Thengal · 01-14-2004, 02:25 PM

Are Uruks just the creation of Sarumon or did Sauron have them to? I seem to remember it being mentioned somewhere that a race of larger orcs called Uruks came to Mordor some time before the war. Also, is there any difference in calling them Uruks or Uruk-Hai?

Legolas · 01-14-2004, 03:07 PM

Saruman's Uruk-hai creation is a misconception caused by the movie. He bred orcs and golbin-men, but Sauron had beat him to the sun-resistant orcs. In the Black Speech, "Uruk" simply means orc, but it is almost always used in reference to the Uruk-hai. Certainly so when speaking of these larger orcs.

This is a fairly basic, often-asked question. Moving to N&N.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 4:16 PM January 14, 2004: Message edited by: Legolas ]

Tuor Turambar,Cursed by the Valar · 01-14-2004, 04:06 PM

this is oft asked.

i am almost sure that "uruk-hai' simply means 'orc-folk', and as such could refer to any orcs. this is linquistically true, but it might not be in practice...

Gil-Galad · 01-14-2004, 04:24 PM

Sauron took Osgiliath with "Black Uruk's of Mordor" but then Boromir go it back

Grimkû the Blood-Axe · 01-17-2004, 06:18 AM

Also on the topic of orcs, during the ROTK movie when Frodo has been bitten by Shelob and is being held captive in one of the towers in Mordor a fight breaks out. It seems that the fight has arisen between an Uruk-Hai and an Orc. The Uruk kills the orc (i think) and then there is a large fight on the lower levels between the beasts. Is this fight between Orcs and Uruk-Hai? Or is it simply a all in brawl.

symestreem · 01-17-2004, 07:59 AM

Uruks, I believe, were large trolls. In RotK, the orcs were of different "companies"- some were of Minas Morgul, and some were from Barad-dur. They didn't trust each other, and so they started a civil war over a shirt of mail.

Elassar 516 · 01-17-2004, 01:58 PM

I believe there was a breed of trolls known as the Olag-Hai in the Return of the King but Uruks were definitely orcs.

01-14-2004, 02:25 PM	#1
Thengal Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 63	Uruk-Hai Are Uruks just the creation of Sarumon or did Sauron have them to? I seem to remember it being mentioned somewhere that a race of larger orcs called Uruks came to Mordor some time before the war. Also, is there any difference in calling them Uruks or Uruk-Hai?

01-14-2004, 03:07 PM	#2
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	Saruman's Uruk-hai creation is a misconception caused by the movie. He bred orcs and golbin-men, but Sauron had beat him to the sun-resistant orcs. In the Black Speech, "Uruk" simply means orc, but it is almost always used in reference to the Uruk-hai. Certainly so when speaking of these larger orcs. This is a fairly basic, often-asked question. Moving to N&N. <font size=1 color=339966>[ 4:16 PM January 14, 2004: Message edited by: Legolas ] __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

01-14-2004, 04:06 PM	#3
Tuor Turambar,Cursed by the Valar Wight Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Somewhere, wandering in middle earth... Posts: 137	this is oft asked. i am almost sure that "uruk-hai' simply means 'orc-folk', and as such could refer to any orcs. this is linquistically true, but it might not be in practice... __________________ Turin Turambar, Master of Fate, by Fate Mastered. No, im not turin. Or tuor. Or anyone. I am not!

01-14-2004, 04:24 PM	#4
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Sauron took Osgiliath with "Black Uruk's of Mordor" but then Boromir go it back __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-17-2004, 06:18 AM	#5
Grimkû the Blood-Axe Animated Skeleton Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 28	Also on the topic of orcs, during the ROTK movie when Frodo has been bitten by Shelob and is being held captive in one of the towers in Mordor a fight breaks out. It seems that the fight has arisen between an Uruk-Hai and an Orc. The Uruk kills the orc (i think) and then there is a large fight on the lower levels between the beasts. Is this fight between Orcs and Uruk-Hai? Or is it simply a all in brawl. __________________ The end comes, drums, drums in the deep...they are coming. Grimkû the Blood-Axe - Talented Ringwraith.

01-17-2004, 07:59 AM	#6
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Uruks, I believe, were large trolls. In RotK, the orcs were of different "companies"- some were of Minas Morgul, and some were from Barad-dur. They didn't trust each other, and so they started a civil war over a shirt of mail. __________________ A Gandalf-uncloaking-free zone.

01-17-2004, 01:58 PM	#7
Elassar 516 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sailing into the West...I wish Posts: 58	I believe there was a breed of trolls known as the Olag-Hai in the Return of the King but Uruks were definitely orcs.