Peregrinate and Pippin - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Merri · 12-02-2002, 06:21 PM

Now, I'm sure somebody else has chanced upon this. Anyway, tonight, while I was studying vocabulary for English class, I came upon this word Peregrinate, meaning to travel, I think it implies traveling on foot. There's also the noun, peregrine.

What I was wondering was this: does this word have any link with Pippin's full name, Peregrin? They seem awfully similar, in my opinion.

[ December 02, 2002: Message edited by: Merri ]

Saurannûn the Wood Elf · 12-02-2002, 06:25 PM

Yes, they are similar. You are VERY correct, so don't think you're imagining things. But I believe that relationship was unintentional. Or not. Who knows but Tolkien himself?

elfling · 12-02-2002, 09:23 PM

It may be intentional. JRRT describes the Tooks as ones who are more likely to travel or have adventures so maybe JRRT did this on purpose.

the phantom · 12-02-2002, 09:45 PM

I'm fairly certain that Peregrin is a real name, used in UK most likely. Most names have a meaning and the name often has its root in a word that denotes the meaning. I don't think that any special thought went into that name selection, but I suppose it can't be discounted.

Kalimac · 12-02-2002, 10:09 PM

Tolkien was a linguist (specializing in the languages which were the precursors of English, no less) so I'm sure it was intentional. BTW according to Dictionary.com, there is no proper noun "Peregrin" (though a quick Google will show that it's a fairly widespread name) however there is the word "peregrine" which means:

1. Foreign; alien.
2. Roving or wandering; migratory.

This fits a little too well both with Pippin's life (becoming known as the Ernil i Pheriannath) and with the fact that the Tooks themselves are thought to be strange folk who sometimes go off and - gasp! - have ADVENTURES.

good idea at the time · 12-03-2002, 09:51 PM

I'm not entirely sure where, but i remember hearing that there is also a small bird called the Peregrin, or something like that. I don't know if that's helpful at all, just thought I'd throw it in there. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Personally, I like the traveling thing.

the phantom · 12-03-2002, 10:00 PM

Are you thinking of the peregrin falcon, perhaps? That's one thing that I thought of when I first saw his name. I think it's spelled like that. I know it sounds like that anyway.

Alcerin · 12-04-2002, 12:08 AM

speaking of which...did you know that a frodo is a jail bar? ..er, used to be, I dunno,I think it's in an old english dictionary...but I know I have seen it in a dictionary...just, I dont know which one......(bangs head on desk 20 times)

dragoneyes · 12-04-2002, 03:08 PM

Why 20 times?
Anyway, yes peregrin falcon is spelt like that (having said that it's probably isn't) it's what I also thought of when I first heard his name.

Rumil · 12-06-2002, 01:32 PM

I used to work for a lawyer called Philip Peregrin! (No I'm not a lawyer, just to head off the likely flames, but I had a summer job as a filing clerk in his office!)

The definition of the name as 'outsider' I think comes either from the Roman or Norman periods, where it defined people who came from outside the kingdom (or Empire) but were allowed to settle within its lands.

12-02-2002, 06:21 PM	#1
Merri Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Shire Posts: 221	Peregrinate and Pippin Now, I'm sure somebody else has chanced upon this. Anyway, tonight, while I was studying vocabulary for English class, I came upon this word Peregrinate, meaning to travel, I think it implies traveling on foot. There's also the noun, peregrine. What I was wondering was this: does this word have any link with Pippin's full name, Peregrin? They seem awfully similar, in my opinion. [ December 02, 2002: Message edited by: Merri ] __________________ Knowledge is just opinion that you trust enough to act upon. -Children of the Mind, by Orson Scott Card.

12-02-2002, 06:25 PM	#2
Saurannûn the Wood Elf Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Mirkwood Forest Posts: 59	Yes, they are similar. You are VERY correct, so don't think you're imagining things. But I believe that relationship was unintentional. Or not. Who knows but Tolkien himself? __________________ Purple is a fruit.

12-02-2002, 09:23 PM	#3
elfling Haunting Spirit Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: asheville,nc Posts: 86	It may be intentional. JRRT describes the Tooks as ones who are more likely to travel or have adventures so maybe JRRT did this on purpose. __________________ And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the morning and the night...All shall love me and despair!

12-02-2002, 09:45 PM	#4
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	I'm fairly certain that Peregrin is a real name, used in UK most likely. Most names have a meaning and the name often has its root in a word that denotes the meaning. I don't think that any special thought went into that name selection, but I suppose it can't be discounted. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

12-02-2002, 10:09 PM	#5
Kalimac Candle of the Marshes Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Flyover Country Posts: 780	Tolkien was a linguist (specializing in the languages which were the precursors of English, no less) so I'm sure it was intentional. BTW according to Dictionary.com, there is no proper noun "Peregrin" (though a quick Google will show that it's a fairly widespread name) however there is the word "peregrine" which means: 1. Foreign; alien. 2. Roving or wandering; migratory. This fits a little too well both with Pippin's life (becoming known as the Ernil i Pheriannath) and with the fact that the Tooks themselves are thought to be strange folk who sometimes go off and - gasp! - have ADVENTURES. __________________ Father, dear Father, if you see fit, We'll send my love to college for one year yet Tie blue ribbons all about his head, To let the ladies know that he's married.

12-03-2002, 09:51 PM	#6
good idea at the time Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 42	I'm not entirely sure where, but i remember hearing that there is also a small bird called the Peregrin, or something like that. I don't know if that's helpful at all, just thought I'd throw it in there. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Personally, I like the traveling thing. __________________ The road goes ever on and on

12-03-2002, 10:00 PM	#7
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Are you thinking of the peregrin falcon, perhaps? That's one thing that I thought of when I first saw his name. I think it's spelled like that. I know it sounds like that anyway. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

12-04-2002, 12:08 AM	#8
Alcerin Pile O'Bones Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: America's amber waves of grain Posts: 20	speaking of which...did you know that a frodo is a jail bar? ..er, used to be, I dunno,I think it's in an old english dictionary...but I know I have seen it in a dictionary...just, I dont know which one......(bangs head on desk 20 times) __________________ Jesus wept. ~John 11:35~

12-04-2002, 03:08 PM	#9
dragoneyes Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Completely lost track, sorry! Posts: 733	Why 20 times? Anyway, yes peregrin falcon is spelt like that (having said that it's probably isn't) it's what I also thought of when I first heard his name. __________________ "We might succeed in roasting Pippin alive inside." - Frodo.

12-06-2002, 01:32 PM	#10
Rumil Sage & Onions Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Britain Posts: 894	I used to work for a lawyer called Philip Peregrin! (No I'm not a lawyer, just to head off the likely flames, but I had a summer job as a filing clerk in his office!) The definition of the name as 'outsider' I think comes either from the Roman or Norman periods, where it defined people who came from outside the kingdom (or Empire) but were allowed to settle within its lands. __________________ Rumil of Coedhirion