anybody know elvish;)? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

05-07-2003, 05:47 AM

"Corf neledh 'nin Ellerain nui venel,
Odo'ni Nauhírath vi rynd gonui în,
Neder'ni Fîr Fírib beraid fíred,
Êr am Morchír bo morn-orchamm dîn
Vi Dor e-Mordor ias i-Ndúath caedar."

could anyone traslate plz?

LadyMeg · 05-07-2003, 08:18 AM

Suilad,

The Elvish language is Sindarin, and the Poem which is not complete is the Poem of the Rings of Power.

I have completed the verse in both English and Sindarin.

Navaer - LadyMeg [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Glîr i Chyrf e-Ndur

Corf neledh 'nin Ellerain nui venel,
Odo'ni Nauhírath vi rynd gonui în,
Neder'ni Fîr Fírib beraid fíred,
Êr am Morchír bo morn-orchamm dîn
Vi Dor e-Mordor ias i-Ndúath caedar.

Er-chorf a thorthad hain bain, Er-chorf a chired hain,
Er-chorf a thoged hain bain a din fuin an nuded hain
Vi Dor e-Mordor ias i-Ndúath caedar.

Poem of the Rings of Power

Rings three for the Elven kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarven lords in their stony halls,
Nine for the Men mortal doomed to die,
One for Dark lord on his dark throne,
In Land of Mordor in which the Shadows lie.

One Ring for ruling them all, One Ring for finding them,
One Ring for bringing them all in and in the darkness bind them,
In Land of Mordor in which the Shadows lie.

DaughterofVana · 05-07-2003, 12:10 PM

Yay LadyMeg! One of the holdovers from the Language forum! What a merry meeting! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] I've seen you and Galadrie1, but I fear that Ravandah is lost to us.

If anyone has questions about the elvish lang or the writings (the only thing I could remotely help anyone with), maybe this thread is the ticket.

-'Vana

Falagar · 05-07-2003, 12:13 PM

Ah, the good ol' days! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

I'm afraid I drifted away from this forum when the language section disappeared...

[ May 07, 2003: Message edited by: Falagar ]

05-07-2003, 12:51 PM

damn, i should have known it was this simple. thank you [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Legolas · 05-10-2003, 12:00 PM

Moved to N&N.

Meela · 05-10-2003, 01:08 PM

Anyone know a good place to learn elvish? I'd like a reference in case I ever have nothing better to do.

Also, does Gondor have any old language, or do the citizens only speak the common tongue?

LadyMeg · 05-10-2003, 10:16 PM

Suilad Meela,

Regarding your Question about Gondor;

The most common language spoken throughout northern and western Middle-earth is Westron that evolved from Adûnaic as spoken in Númenor also the regions of Gondor.

Why could Aragorn speak Elvish! because he had been brought up with Elves and had learn't the language.

Quenya was never widely spoken in Middle-earth, except among the Noldor. Sindarin was more commonly spoken.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Websites for learning Elvish;

Sindarin I recommend the Council Of Elrond great site look in their "Language section"

Council Of Elrond

For Quenya You would go to 'Ardalambion'
Look under Quenya.

Ardalambion

Namárië - LadyMeg [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Gildor15 · 05-11-2003, 05:10 PM

Thanks for the sites LadyMeg. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Tarien Ithil · 05-19-2003, 11:40 AM

Good day, JP20. Thanks for starting up this thread!
Elvish is always interesting!

Well, back to the topic, I can speak a little Elvish (don’t want to seem boastful), I am still learning. It’s marvelous, because if you look really well on the Net, you can find some really worthwhile sites and some great Elvish references on the language. I even found an Elvish dictionary at www.grey-comapany.org

I see many members’ nicks and signatures have Elvish meanings. Mine means “moon princess” (best I could do [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]) and my sig say “best wishes and have a good day!”
Just to share that with you (probably wasn’t all that contributive to the topic, but anyway! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]).

Feared Half-Elf · 05-19-2003, 12:32 PM

Learning Quenya when I have the time, not very good yet. Try www.hot-elf.com. OK, so it's a Legolas fan site, but there is a really good Quenya wordlist if you click on 'learn elvish'

If you want an insult:
Auta Miqula Orqu (go kiss an orc)
Mereth en Draugrim (feast of wolves)

LadyMeg · 05-19-2003, 10:37 PM

Aiya ilquen/Hello Everybody,

Many people who wish to speak Elvish have spoken much of the "Grey Company Elvish" and "Hot Elf" for those of us who want to learn the True Tolkien languages, it is best to stick to sites mentioned above that teach Elvish such as The Council Of Elrond, and Ardalambion.

Sindarin : To Go Kiss An Orc! Mîbo orch! ( or Bado mîbo orch!)

Namárië - LadyMeg [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Tarien Ithil · 05-21-2003, 11:37 AM

Hey LadyMeg! (the genius of elvish!) [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Just to add in that Auta miqula orqu!also means Go Kiss An Orc! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Just a thought. It's rather funny and useful to say to an enemy. LOL, they won't know what you're saying! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Tarien Ithil

GaladrieloftheOlden · 05-21-2003, 11:37 AM

The auta miqula orcu thing was taken from a site which is not quite acurate, I believe. Still, I might be wrong, so don't mind me if so [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

~Menelien

Scott · 05-21-2003, 03:46 PM

My personal translation came out to be "Autal miqula orco."
The l was added to Auta to turn it into the command (you) go. And I switched orco, the word I usually use for orc for orqu, which means demon.
Have I been any help?

Nurumaiel · 05-21-2003, 05:38 PM

Tarien Ithil, a little bit of advice. If you want to learn true Tolkien elvish, do not go to the Grey Company. They will teach you Grelvish, Sindarin and Quenya mashed together, along with many new words, and therefore will not be teaching Tolkien elvish.

If you want to learn Tolkien elvish, I recommend the above sites whose links are given in an earlier post (Ardalambion and the Council of Elrond).

Nurumaiel

Tarien Ithil · 05-23-2003, 11:31 AM

Hey Nurumaiel [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Yeah, I have heard that the Grey Company isn't the greatest and most accurate [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

But thanks for the advice anyway [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Best Wishes,

Tarien Ithil

05-07-2003, 05:47 AM	#1
jp20 Guest Posts: n/a	anybody know elvish;)? "Corf neledh 'nin Ellerain nui venel, Odo'ni Nauhírath vi rynd gonui în, Neder'ni Fîr Fírib beraid fíred, Êr am Morchír bo morn-orchamm dîn Vi Dor e-Mordor ias i-Ndúath caedar." could anyone traslate plz?

05-07-2003, 08:18 AM	#2
LadyMeg Animated Skeleton Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ayr QLD Australia Posts: 27	Suilad, The Elvish language is Sindarin, and the Poem which is not complete is the Poem of the Rings of Power. I have completed the verse in both English and Sindarin. Navaer - LadyMeg [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Glîr i Chyrf e-Ndur Corf neledh 'nin Ellerain nui venel, Odo'ni Nauhírath vi rynd gonui în, Neder'ni Fîr Fírib beraid fíred, Êr am Morchír bo morn-orchamm dîn Vi Dor e-Mordor ias i-Ndúath caedar. Er-chorf a thorthad hain bain, Er-chorf a chired hain, Er-chorf a thoged hain bain a din fuin an nuded hain Vi Dor e-Mordor ias i-Ndúath caedar. Poem of the Rings of Power Rings three for the Elven kings under the sky, Seven for the Dwarven lords in their stony halls, Nine for the Men mortal doomed to die, One for Dark lord on his dark throne, In Land of Mordor in which the Shadows lie. One Ring for ruling them all, One Ring for finding them, One Ring for bringing them all in and in the darkness bind them, In Land of Mordor in which the Shadows lie. __________________ "Even the smallest person can change the course of the future"-Galadriel.

05-07-2003, 12:10 PM	#3
DaughterofVana Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: twirling contentedly in a flower-filled field Posts: 134	Yay LadyMeg! One of the holdovers from the Language forum! What a merry meeting! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] I've seen you and Galadrie1, but I fear that Ravandah is lost to us. If anyone has questions about the elvish lang or the writings (the only thing I could remotely help anyone with), maybe this thread is the ticket. -'Vana __________________ "There is a kind of happiness and wonder that makes you serious. It is too good to waste on jokes." Hi! Did you miss me?

05-07-2003, 12:13 PM	#4
Falagar Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 69	Ah, the good ol' days! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] I'm afraid I drifted away from this forum when the language section disappeared... [ May 07, 2003: Message edited by: Falagar ] __________________ Auta i lomë! Aurë entuluva! "Take no heed! We speak as is right, and as King Finwë himself did before he was led astray. We are his heirs by right and the elder house. Let them sá-sí, if they can speak no better." -Son of the Therindë

05-10-2003, 12:00 PM	#6
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	Moved to N&N. __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

05-07-2003, 12:51 PM	#5
jp20 Guest Posts: n/a	damn, i should have known it was this simple. thank you [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

05-10-2003, 01:08 PM	#7
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	Anyone know a good place to learn elvish? I'd like a reference in case I ever have nothing better to do. Also, does Gondor have any old language, or do the citizens only speak the common tongue? __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

05-10-2003, 10:16 PM	#8
LadyMeg Animated Skeleton Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ayr QLD Australia Posts: 27	Suilad Meela, Regarding your Question about Gondor; The most common language spoken throughout northern and western Middle-earth is Westron that evolved from Adûnaic as spoken in Númenor also the regions of Gondor. Why could Aragorn speak Elvish! because he had been brought up with Elves and had learn't the language. Quenya was never widely spoken in Middle-earth, except among the Noldor. Sindarin was more commonly spoken. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Websites for learning Elvish; Sindarin I recommend the Council Of Elrond great site look in their "Language section" Council Of Elrond For Quenya You would go to 'Ardalambion' Look under Quenya. Ardalambion Namárië - LadyMeg [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ "Even the smallest person can change the course of the future"-Galadriel.

05-11-2003, 05:10 PM	#9
Gildor15 Pile O'Bones Join Date: May 2003 Location: Holland, Michigan, United States Posts: 16	Thanks for the sites LadyMeg. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ "Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes."-Frodo

05-19-2003, 11:40 AM	#10
Tarien Ithil Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the Shade of a Tree Posts: 253	Good day, JP20. Thanks for starting up this thread! Elvish is always interesting! Well, back to the topic, I can speak a little Elvish (don’t want to seem boastful), I am still learning. It’s marvelous, because if you look really well on the Net, you can find some really worthwhile sites and some great Elvish references on the language. I even found an Elvish dictionary at www.grey-comapany.org I see many members’ nicks and signatures have Elvish meanings. Mine means “moon princess” (best I could do [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]) and my sig say “best wishes and have a good day!” Just to share that with you (probably wasn’t all that contributive to the topic, but anyway! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]). __________________ “The English-speaking world is divided into those who have read The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit and those who are going to read them.” – Sunday Times Crickhollow

05-19-2003, 12:32 PM	#11
Feared Half-Elf Wight Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Up a tree. Posts: 213	Learning Quenya when I have the time, not very good yet. Try www.hot-elf.com. OK, so it's a Legolas fan site, but there is a really good Quenya wordlist if you click on 'learn elvish' If you want an insult: Auta Miqula Orqu (go kiss an orc) Mereth en Draugrim (feast of wolves) __________________ "You will find the Holy Grail in Castle Aaaaaaahhhhhh leans sideways" Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

05-19-2003, 10:37 PM	#12
LadyMeg Animated Skeleton Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ayr QLD Australia Posts: 27	Aiya ilquen/Hello Everybody, Many people who wish to speak Elvish have spoken much of the "Grey Company Elvish" and "Hot Elf" for those of us who want to learn the True Tolkien languages, it is best to stick to sites mentioned above that teach Elvish such as The Council Of Elrond, and Ardalambion. Sindarin : To Go Kiss An Orc! Mîbo orch! ( or Bado mîbo orch!) Namárië - LadyMeg [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ "Even the smallest person can change the course of the future"-Galadriel.

05-21-2003, 11:37 AM	#13
Tarien Ithil Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the Shade of a Tree Posts: 253	Hey LadyMeg! (the genius of elvish!) [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] Just to add in that Auta miqula orqu!also means Go Kiss An Orc! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Just a thought. It's rather funny and useful to say to an enemy. LOL, they won't know what you're saying! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Tarien Ithil __________________ “The English-speaking world is divided into those who have read The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit and those who are going to read them.” – Sunday Times Crickhollow

05-21-2003, 11:37 AM	#14
GaladrieloftheOlden Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Massachusetts - digging up a bottomless hole, searching for something that's not there... Posts: 1,514	The auta miqula orcu thing was taken from a site which is not quite acurate, I believe. Still, I might be wrong, so don't mind me if so [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] ~Menelien __________________ "Glue... very powerful stuff."

05-21-2003, 03:46 PM	#15
Scott Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ohio/Grey Havens Posts: 183	My personal translation came out to be "Autal miqula orco." The l was added to Auta to turn it into the command (you) go. And I switched orco, the word I usually use for orc for orqu, which means demon. Have I been any help? __________________ Those who the Gods would destroy, They first make mad. ~Those Crazy Greeks

05-21-2003, 05:38 PM	#16
Nurumaiel Vice of Twilight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: on a mountain Posts: 1,121	Tarien Ithil, a little bit of advice. If you want to learn true Tolkien elvish, do not go to the Grey Company. They will teach you Grelvish, Sindarin and Quenya mashed together, along with many new words, and therefore will not be teaching Tolkien elvish. If you want to learn Tolkien elvish, I recommend the above sites whose links are given in an earlier post (Ardalambion and the Council of Elrond). Nurumaiel __________________ In the fury of the moment I can see the Master's hand in every leaf that trembles, in every grain of sand.

05-23-2003, 11:31 AM	#17
Tarien Ithil Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the Shade of a Tree Posts: 253	Hey Nurumaiel [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Yeah, I have heard that the Grey Company isn't the greatest and most accurate [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] But thanks for the advice anyway [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Best Wishes, Tarien Ithil __________________ “The English-speaking world is divided into those who have read The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit and those who are going to read them.” – Sunday Times Crickhollow